What if..

.. 9-11, the war on terror, the neocon agenda and all that crap was scripted as a means to speed up the waking of the people, to get us on to their trail, e.g. that the powers that be wants to wind up the people, effectively wanting to be caught?

Why?

Order ab Chao. Order out of chaos.

The meaning of all the crap we've seen the past few decades is a deliberate script, set up to finally sacrifice the New Atlantis in order to bring order out of the chaos. Remember that the original Atlantis fell too, so why not the New Atlantis as well? If nothing, it brings meaning to the term New Atlantis.. Implying in no uncertain terms that it's going down...

That is, they deliberately set out to destroy the USA, sacrifice it to the good cause and bring on anarchy and chaos to the world, crashing the economies at large and all this stuff we've been talking about for so long now..

What better way to bring on the new world order that they have been pining for?

The purpose of it all seems to be the sacrifice of the USA, that the main purpose is to crash the system in order to bring in the new. Of course, we mostly knew that. But did it ever cross your mind that WE are the tool for doing so? That they are sloppy on purpose, that some info leak out here and there willfully? To slowly let the people wake up to these issues, so that in the end the system will collapse because all secrets have been revealed.

Did anybody think along these lines before? I didn't. I haven't heard anybody voice this theory before either, until I listened to Michael Tsarion interviewed on Untold Mysteries recently. He is truly a good teacher, and an inspiration to me, and I love you for that, Michael.

Perhaps it's just me, not having understood this properly till now... You tell me.

(posted here because I can't post anything in my blog, I just get errors..)

Great post Osgorth, I've definatly thought about this before... When you observe how fascists warmongers and currupt goverment scams are allowed and seemlingly encourages by the globalists, how exedingly sloppy and delberate some of the recent black ops have become, it seems like they are trying to manipulate people into a limited perspective conspiratorial view of history, perhaps to exelerate the collapse as you suggest. You are definattely on to it when you say that we are the tools being used to bring this about.

Its like the system is designed to make us all guilty supporters of government and cosumerism, to intentionally keep us in ignorance until 911 and the war revealed how that system is completly corrupt. We go from ignorant and complicite supporters of the system to radicalized revolutionaries who want to destroy it, exactly the kind of controlled reaction which allwos them to engineer the social collapse. They manipulate the truth to make us feel that there is nothign worth saving, that overthhrowing the govenment and collapsing the world economy is the only solution...

Order ab Chao, the tenet of all secret societies and the method by which they can create a controlled reaction by intentionally allowing conspiracies to happen and be discovered. Like 911, OKC, like starting illegal wars, all are used to radicalize people into sacrificing themselves and thier society for a "good cause" against fascist imperiasm and government corruption. I keep the recent war out of much of what I publish for this very reason... becuase the anti-war movement is being used to cretate a radicalized reaction against those who continue to participate in the system or peopel who would deny that bush/cheney "made it happen". In truth, both the supprters and the denoucers are ignorant until they begin to understand how both are being used against each other to bring about something that has happened before... an engineered apacalypse?

When people reach a certain point of self knowledge, they have to take responsibility for what they know... This is what happned to the DBS followers, they were radicalized by trying to take responsibility for what they knew. They were raicalized by using actual conspiracie theories and history. I think teh secret societies know that peopel have this breakign point inside of them of self knwoledge, and they try and induce a reaction before teh individual can gain a understanding of the whole picture of history and humanity. The goal as you pointed out, is to manipulate people into reations which will create more choas... then the secret societyies can impose order and the whole system becomes perpetuated...

Two observations:

On "But did it ever cross your mind that WE are the tool for doing so? That they are sloppy on purpose, that some info leak out here and there willfully? To slowly let the people wake up to these issues, so that in the end the system will collapse because all secrets have been revealed."

I think that the slow leaks of information have been used for a long time, but the purpose is to acclimate the masses and prevent shock. If people from 200 years ago saw the way the U.S. political system is working today, with all its corruption and loopholes and abuses - controlled by money, with the power resting in federal hands instead of the states and the people, they would quite simply rebel, instantly. The tyranny now is much worse than what they rebelled against in the first place. The reason people aren't rioting in the streets is because they have been acclimated to it, over generations. They really know no better.

Also, or perhaps on the other hand, I believe that a certain faction within tptb are indeed trying to incite the people to outright rebellion by pushing us further and further, to the breaking point, in order to justify the big solution - total enslavement, under the auspices of 'for our own good'. I'm not so sure that all the powers agree with this, it seems contrary to their slow and steady pace of domination - perhaps a small faction is trying to accelerate 'the plan' and see it realized in their lifetimes.

Interesting discussion...

Yeah ...I too have considered the possibility of this . There is evidence out there of past illuminati/intelligence services behaviour/ that deliberately seeks to stoke up rebel uprisings and rioting etc. Let's face it there is quite a lot of evidence now to show that much of the activities/orders of the US administration have not served to quash terrorism but specifically designed to ferment it and bring about retaliation. There is also evidence that they ARE deliberately trying to bring about the apocalypse (think someone else mentioned this above) either to bring about the return of the saviour or to bring about the conditions for the UN to be able to fly in like a superhero to our rescue (one world government - slave planet ).

The notion that they are "sloppy on purpose" I'm not sure - only when it suits them (i.e. not all the time), order out of chaos - yes - but they can't let it get too out of hand, i.e. total anarchy. And there are many techniques for "managing" these factual leaks or untruths, whilst carrying or regardless behind the scenes.

Many politicians/illuminati front men/scapegoats (by this I mean whoever carries the can for a leak/lie/mistake/error) seem to favour the label of incompetence over being labelled as a liar (in the UK pick any resigning cabinet member over the last 5 years) "I forgot", "I wasn't aware/informed", "It was not clear at the time" OR they use a strategy of simple denial - "look at that shinny thing over there" , "henny penny the sky is falling", "la la la I can't hear you". (Lessons available from Rumsfeld, Scott Mclelland and Tony Snow $19.95/hr - lol).

I do think that government agencies do keep tracks on independent news outlets and underground conspiracy news networks etc. etc. and it does give them what they would see as valuable information about the reactions of some areas of the public, who don't engage with mainstream methods of information retrieval. Anyway, I'm beginning to ramble so better finish what I was thinking and summarise...

It makes me uncomfortable to think that people like us are being used as a tool to get the information out, because I just do not want to be devoting my time and energy to helping the tyrants/control freaks towards their goals.

I suppose at the end of the day we have to take ALL information with a pinch of salt to avoid falling into this trap. It is probably more important than ever, in doing what we do here to increasingly read between the lines, to realise how important it is to get multiple verifiable sources to back-up the facts but also that it is crucial to know the credibility of these sources in intimate detail. A source, be it a report or a person, it is important to know who funded that source, their motivations, their biases (political or otherwise) etc. Finally, I guess it is more important than ever with releases of "sensitive" information, on any subject, to know (or try to find out) the significance of it's timing and to compare this to similar past/historical info and releases. Only after considering all of the above can we truly see where a piece of information fits into the grand puzzle and we can help others and visitors here to see through the disinfo.

[What we/I/they do with the verified info is another question - if people have the truth they can make up their own minds and I would hope (maybe wrongly) that resistance in the form of all-out bloody rebellion and fighting (war) can be avoided.]

Those are some personal thoughts anyway, there are probably some of you who have a lot more experience of publishing and info verification than I.

For now I'm really interested in the Bilderberg saga and will probably be camped out in this area of the forum trying to get a handle on the scope of what they do and what they aspire to do. There seems to be good momentum on this story and they seem to be the link between the shadowy top tier elite and the governments and institutions which seem bent on controlling us. Some of the members are elected officials so there is the (remote) possibility of some accountability there. Getting some mainstream US and European press coverage on this would also be nice. Maybe you could help me out...

If you could stand in front of the Bilderberg group and ask them any questions you so desired - what would you ask them?