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Orion Technology And Other Secret Projects - Part 1

Introduction

This report was constructed from over 9 hours of video interviews, personal interviews and individual commentary. It is structured in an open question-answer format, without regard to who is asking the question and who is answering; this format also allows insertion of other data in the later part of the report in the same open Q&A format. The data is not proven or verified, but is reported as received. This report contains information on the following: The Philadelphia Project, or Project Rainbow, Phoenix Projects 1-3, origins of the Radiosonde and connections with the work of Wilhelm Reich, government weather control programs and hidden agenda, the Montauk Hind Control projects, the deliberate murder of thousands of American children in mind control research and time tunnel experiments, government time-tunnel projects and operational procedures, how Nickola Tesla and Von Neumann contributed to these projects, the "martyrdom clause", mind control by individual signature, technical ways to produce planetary holograms and Matreiya effects, the explanation behind closed time loops, government rationale and plans for the confinement camps and slave labor, Project Dreamscan, Project Moonscan, the Airborne Instrument Labs, Project Mindwrecker, the alien groups known as the Kondrashkin and their interaction with US Government mind control programs, the Kamogol II and Giza Groups, the negative Sirians, Soviet scalar weaponry, Orion Group manipulations, 6th root race incarnations, telepathy producing drugs and their use and suppression, the FAA and zero-time generators, technical spin-offs from the Philadelphia project, the International Aerospace Alliance, cross-section of implant device, Wilhelm Reich and mind control, Reichian Orgastic-type programming and its use by the US Government and Sirians, the Psi-Corps, Alien soul-trading, Montauk and the aliens from the Antares system, the Leverons, the Elohim Group, the US Navy and time-tunnel projects, the US Government and the Greys, electronic life support,systems of the Reptilian Humanoids, new life form masses over the poles and their relation to yearly outbreaks of flu-like disease, AIDS and Fort Dietrick (NSA), Maglev trains and the US underground tunnel network, the missing human genes, buried spacecraft and alien technical archives under the Giza pyramid, the coming new money, the "Black Nobility", Nordic and human copper based blood systems and physiology, the technology of cloning and the development of synthetic humans and political replacement programs, the Middle East situation, Congressional awareness of drug and alien agenda, the MIB, the US Army and the black helicopter forces, government mobile mind disruption technology, nature and purposes and the Orion Group, fourth density transmutation of the human race, geological changes, Sirian Mind Control technology, and more, along with illustrations gleaned from witnesses with photographic memory and a lot of courage. This information is supplementary to that in Chapter 7 (Matrix III).

The Interviews

Where do you want to start?

Let's start with the Phoenix Project.

It was a project that evolved out of the Philadelphia Project. it was a project that the Navy did in the 1930's and 1940's in an attempt to make ships invisible. They threw the switch one eventful day and the ship went into hyperspace. They had all sorts of problems with the people on the boat. It was a huge success as well as a huge failure - then they shelved it. Around 1947 it was decided to re-activate the project and it was moved to Brookhaven National Laboratories with Dr. John Von Neumann and his associates. Out of Phoenix I came Stealth technology, which I cannot talk about because of my job. It also produced all sorts of energetic little toys like the radiosonde.

What is a radiosonde?

Well, in all appearances it was a little white box that they attached to a balloon and sent up into the atmosphere. The government told people that it involved gathering weather data. It used a very unusual type of pulse modulation. In most cases they used a CW (continuous wave) oscillator and pulsed the signal. This turned out to be a very efficient conversion of electrical energy to etheric energy. I very recently started collecting radiosondes. I never saw a receiver. I found out that they were designed up at Brookhaven National Labs. I started to talk to people at Brookhaven and ran into a retired gentleman who used to work there. He told me that the design was originally done by Wilhelm Reich. That peaked my interest. The story goes that in about 1947 Wilhelm Reich handed the US Government a weather control device, a device that would do DOR-busting. Reich thought that if he could decrease the amount of DOR that storms would not be so violent. (DOR is the result of orgone energy coming into contact with an enclosed radioactive source. This produces a Deadly Orgone Energy - DOR - which threatens life. It is also produced in the atmosphere through other processes. The government sent the device up there into a storm and it did reduce the intensity of the storm. The government liked it, and they started another phase of the Phoenix project where they designed these "radiosondes" and started launching them in large numbers, maybe 200 to 500 per day. The radio in these things had a range of about 1oo miles. If they used so many of them, one would think that receivers for them would be common-place. I used to be a collector of radio receivers. I have over 100 in my personal collection. I have never seen a radiosonde receiver. I have heard of them but I have never seen them.

What are the frequencies used?

The frequencies used are 403 MHz and 1680 MHz. They used two different frequencies.

They are both on at the same time?

No. One or the other was used at any one time. The earlier ones used 403 MHz plus or minus 2 MHz. The later ones used 1680 MHZ, plus or minus 6 MHz. The "thermistor" in them had gold, silver, platinum and iridium in it. Reich used sensors that had gold and silver in them. The humidity element is a plastic plate with silver around the rim and conductive lines going across the plate. They put a very unusual mixture of chemicals on this plate. Unlike most humistors, the resistance went up as it got damp.

What we're theorizing at this point is that the "thermistor" (temperature sensing) rod acts like a DOR antenna out-of-phase. The "humidity sensor" acts as an antenna for the orgone; The pressure sensor is essentially what they call a barrel switch, which is a pressure sensitive cycling switch. The device would destroy DOR and build up the orgone. The transmitter consisted of two oscillators, one of which would run at the carrier frequency (403 or 1680) and a second one which was a 7 MHz oscillator hooked into the grid of the carrier oscillator. The result was that the 7 MHZ oscillator would pulse on and off.

How does all this relate to what was going on with these other projects?

The government could not tell the public these were weather control devices. What we are seeing here is actually the genesis of what became the Montauk project, which was a combination of Wilhelm Reich's work and the Philadelphia Experiment. There were two separate projects going on in Phoenix One. You had the invisibility aspect and you had the development of Wilhelm Reich's weather control. Toward the end of the Phoenix project, by using some of Wilhelm Reich's concepts and some of the transmission schemes used from the "radiosonde" project, they found that you could combine the two -factors and use them for MIND CONTROL. Government circles would have me say "mood alteration", but mind control is what these idiots were doing.

That's what the Montauk project was?

No. Phoenix One. After political circles found out about it they wanted it shut down. The people that were running it went to the military and proposed that they could use it to "influence the minds of the enemy". The military loved the idea, and let them use the old Montauk Air Force Base. Among the equipment requested was an old SAGE radar unit, which was on the base. The base was shut down and everything was auctioned off. The group then moved in from the Brookhaven Labs. That began what we call Phoenix Two. They spent the first ten years, from about 1969 to about 1979, researching pure mind control. They started out by taking the output of the SAGE radar, modulating the special wave that Reich had showed them from the weather control process, and combined that with something noticed from the Philadelphia Experiment work. They transmitted about 406 MHz. It would hop around frequencies and change in phase. They used the amplidine concept where you have many stages pulse-modulated. BRF was from 10 cycles to 750 cycles. The pulse width could be varied anywhere from 10 to 75ms. The center frequency was 406MHz generated from a stay-low type function which was referenced from a zero-time function.

Was there any other modulation on this?

There was frequency hopping on it.

So Phoenix Two started in 1969?

Yes, in the period from 1969 to 1971. Phoenix One went from 1948 to 1968. The first part of the mind control project was to take an individual and stand them about 250 feet away from the antenna. The SAGE radar had a peak pulse power of .5 MW. The antenna had a gain of 30db. That means an effective radiated power of at least a gigawatt. It was nominally a gigawatt. Can you imagine what that would do to people? I think its amazing these people are still here. It does things like burn out brain functions, create neurological damage, scar lungs from heat, etc. They tried this with a number of people and there were few survivors.

Where did they get the volunteers for this?

They were just grabbing indigent people off the street and throwing them in front of the radar beam. That's the sort of nonsense that the government loves to do.

Who was in charge of the project at this time?

Dr. John Von Neumann and Jack Pruett.

Any particular agency?

I'm not sure what the agency was. Now, somebody got the brilliant idea to put the subjects directly in line with the gain horn of the antenna. Lo and behold they got their result without burning the people up. They found out that by varying the phase modulation and the frequency hopping and the pulsing of the multiple phases that they could have profound effects on a persons mind.

How many people worked at this installation?

About 30.

Who authorized them use of the base?

The Air Force and the Navy. It was a joint project. There were both Navy and Air Force personnel involved. We have copies of the orders for the Air Force personnel.

What was the cover story for the base?

They had none. It was a derelict base.

It was abandoned. It was turned over to GSA as surplus around 1969 or 1970 when they shut down all the SAGE radar systems.

It was a "non-existent" operation. it was a perfect cover.

Where did they get the funding?

It was totally private.

Corporations?

It didn't originally come from corporations, although it did in later phases. The original money came from the Nazi government.

This is Phoenix One?

No, this is Phoenix Two and Three. In 1944 there was an American troop train that went through a French railroad tunnel carrying $10 billion in Nazi gold which they had found. it was $10 billion at the 1944 price of $20 per ounce. The train was blown up in the tunnel. It killed 51 American soldiers. The gold turned up ten years later at Montauk. This has been verified. That money was used to finance the project for many years as the value of gold went uo. They spent all of it and ran out of money. That's when they tapped on ITT, who funded it. ITT was owned by Krupp in Germany. In terms of personnel, many of the civilians and scientists there were all ex-Nazi's who came from Germany both before and after the war ended. The project was under US Government surveillance. The intelligence community knew what was going on and the CIA monitored everything, as did other government intelligence agencies. The field of players who actually operated on the base was small, between 30 and 50. The funding was entirely private. After 1983, Senator Goldwater found out about it and started an investigation. He couldn't find any trace of government funding. Pruett was the metaphysical director of the project. He was Air Force. After he left Dr. Herman C. Untermann took over. They had an electronics expert, Dr. Mathew E. Zerrett, who came over from Germany in 1946 with Werhner von Braun. Probably the reason that they ran out of money is that they had a total of 25 bases around the United States to support. The last of the bases shut down August 12, 1983. The base at Montauk, where all the stations got their zero-time reference from, shut down and the other two remaining bases went down with it.

What about some of the mind effects?

From what I recall of the program, as I was part of it, I was subjected to the mind control field not as I initially went into the program (because they wanted me initially for my sensitive abilities) but later. I was assigned to the indoctrination of the younger recruits. The first indoctrination turned out to be a disaster. I told them I didn't want anything to do with the program, and they put me in front of this mind beam, and it did do damage to me. Finally, someone said, "shut it off, he isn't going to give in to it" and they shut it off. Others were affected much more seriously than I was. The effects were generally really bad. It could burn your brains out. They would go out and pick kids between the ages of 12 and 16 off the street...

That's where a lot of disappearing American kids went?

We estimate they took 10,000 American children off the street and brought them to Montauk, New Jersey. The total number of people that they pulled off the streets for the 25 stations was about 250,000. What the actual thrust of the program was in terms of all these kids is still a mystery. We still don't know the answers. We know they were fully programmed for something. They were subjected to programming which eventually became more "humane" using advanced electronic techniques. The original programming was Reichian in nature and was more physical. Later they worked out techniques that used computers and electronic programming with the Reichian techniques that took very fast and had little side effects.

Are you aware of any people presently who have been through this?

I've run into people over the years. There is a very specific field identity pattern you can detect if you are sensitive enough. You can spot a person who has been through the Montauk program "five miles away". it's vary distinctive in the way that it's been altered. I've spotted more than a dozen people in the Long Island, New York area.

What about Von Neumann?

He was still alive up until 1989. He has run into a problem with the government as well as other problems, such as a personality split in 1977, when he resigned as director and became a consultant. The government told everyone he died in 1956. The government is still interacting with him.

Were any of the Montauk subjects given psycho tropic drugs?

I don't think so...

They used one drug which was used in connection with the Reich programming to make them more receptive. I don't remember the name of it. The effect of the drug was that it would make you "horny as hell".

Also euphoric at the same time?

Also euphoric, yes.

Did they get this mind-altering chair from the aliens?

The prototype came from the aliens. Beyond that we are uncertain. This chair was essentially a mind amplifier. The government would have specially trained individuals sit in the chair and generate thoughtforms, which would be amplified and transmitted. They could transmit the signal and put people in a pre-orgasmic state where they would be receptive to programming. It worked very well and they found other capabilities. They found that it could work in time. They had a psychically trained individual sit in the chair and generate a thoughtform of a vortex that connected 1947 and 1981. That's exactly what they got - a time tunnel they could walk through. There was a series on television at one time that portrayed this concept fairly accurately. These were some of the earlier capabilities. They started going forward and backward in time. That was the last phase of the Phoenix project.

When did this time machine get going?

Around 1979 or 1980 it was fully operational. This transmitter had enough power to warp space and time. The individual in the chair would have to synthesize the vortex function because they didn't have the technical capability to do that. It can now be mechanically synthesized. They did other things. They had the subject in the chair think of some creature, and the creature would materialize. They had the individual in the chair think of all the animals at Montauk point charging into town, and that's exactly what happened. They almost had the power to create a being. The problem they had was that what they created only stayed as long as the mind amplifier was on. The power was somewhere between gigawatts and terrawatts. Tremendous power. The vortex could have a diameter of about five miles.

Can you describe what this looked like?

Its like looking into a peculiar spiral tunnel which was lit up down its entire length. You would start to walk into this thing and then suddenly you'd be pulled down it. You didn't walk through it as such. You were more or less propelled through it. You could go anywhere in space and time.

Could you bring things back?

Yes.

Have you ever brought anything back?

Yes.

Could you continue your description of the tunnel?

Yes. The walls were solid but fluted. The tunnel was not straight but was a sort of corkscrew shape.

If someone turned off the power, would you be stuck in the destination time and space?

Yes. You'd be stuck there.

Did they send a lot of kids down the tunnel'?

Yes, but we don't know what their goals were. They lost a lot of kids.

Since there is a time loop between however far you went back in the past through however far into the future, is everything fixed?

Yes.

One of the first things they did was send recruits forward to around 6030 AD. It was always to the same point. Somewhere in an abandoned city where there was a statue of solid gold. When they came back they were asked what they saw. Whether they were expecting to find a different answer from person to person is unknown. They would look into the vortex and make sure the environment would support life before they sent people. They took samples.

Are there potential futures that people could be sent to?

No. once you make the connection with the future the line becomes fixed to that point.

Can you change the present by sending someone to the past?

Yes. You can also change the present by sending someone into the future. Under certain conditions. The government is using existing time machines to go forward in the Montauk time line.

Are you saying that now the present can't be changed because we have established a time-loop through the future and the past?

Yes. That means whatever everyone is doing between the most extreme past point and the future they will be doing forever.

What is the furthest anyone has traveled in the future?

10,000 AD.

So everything is locked in until 10.000AD?

Yes. It's a dreamlike reality. No one has picked up a tangible future beyond 2012 AD. There is a very abrupt wall there with nothing on the other side.

Prophecies speak of earth changes around then.

Curious, isn't it?

Can you project yourself two hours into the future and meet yourself?

Yes, but its very dangerous. The person who walked into the tunnel is out of phase with the person who comes out the other end. This did happen. The result is that the person just incinerates.

Did they ever give you a weapon in case you ran into anything negative?

They didn't have to do that. The vortex could be arranged to follow the person, so that they could bring them back in if anything went wrong. They could see them on a viewer.

So they achieved a working time portal. At one point they had a situation where they had a "monster from the ID" type creature come through and everyone went into a panic. They shut the transmitter off. The creature ate people and equipment. They had to go back and shut down the unit in Philadelphia in order to shut off the unit in the future so they could stop this creature in 1983. This was on August 12,1983. The vortex locked on to the 12 August 1943 test and formed a loop. All this occurred because someone planted the thought in the mind of the operator in the chair to generate this creature. It was an effort to sabotage the project. A lot of people thought the project had gone too far. When I worked for them between 1971 and 1983 1 was so tired when I would get home from work. What they would do is that when I my mission was over they would return me to a point milliseconds before I left. It would appear from one perspective that I never left. Of course, after I stopped working there, all that stopped. Is there a reason that all these things happened?

If you go back into the Philadelphia experiment end of it, which was the beginning of the whole business, one can see from the way that thing was maneuvered that there was a higher force of some kind involved in setting the whole thing up .... because it never would have happened the way it did unless two obscure dates 40 years apart coincided between the two experiments: the project known as the Philadelphia experiment, or Project Rainbow, in 1943 and the Montauk project in 1983.

If I may interject something here. There is a point about two thirds of the way down the time tunnel where the person who is going through the tunnel perceives a large "thump". The person's consciousness leaves their body. There is a tendency to see things on a broader basis. I am sure there was some intelligence there. Looking back on my experiences, I'm sure there was some intelligence there. I would have trouble with the recognition of it. What they were trying to do at Montauk was to stabilize the perception process that would occur upon exteriorization from the body. They were trying to manifest that for some reason. We don't know what their purpose was.

What was the role of the aliens in this whole thing, other than the prototype of the mental amplifier chair?

That would be the another part of this that we haven't got into yet.

Let's look at what the Philadelphia experiment got into in a technical sense. It was what started all this happening. It originally began back in the 1930's in Chicago with three people. Dr. John Hutchinson Sr., who was the Dean of the University of Chicago, Nickola Tesla, and Dr. Kurtenaur, who was an Austrian physicist who was on staff at the University.

They decided to do something with the speculation regarding the concept of things and people being invisible. This subject had been discussed for several year. They got together and did some research at the University of Chicago around 1931 or 1932. In 1933 the Institute of Advanced Studies at Princeton was formed and the project was transferred there in 1934. One of the people on staff at the Institute was Dr. John Erich Von Neumann, who was from Budapest Hungary. He got his degree in chemistry in 1925 and his Ph.D. in mathematics in 1926. He taught in Europe for about four years and transferred to the United States. He taught at the graduate level for three years and was invited to join the Institute.

Other people at the Institute included Albert Einstein, who left Germany in 1930. He went to the California Institute of Technology for three years and taught there and then went to the Institute upon their invitation and acceptance. A lot of other people showed up there as time went on. The project expanded about 1936. In the meantime, Tesla was named director of the project. He was a friend of president Franklin Roosevelt, whom Tesla met in 1917 when FDR was secretary of the Navy. Tesla was asked at that time to do some work for the government for the war effort, which he did. He accepted and became director of the invisibility project until he resigned in 1942. In 1936, after intensive study, they decided to have an initial test of their work. They achieved some partial invisibility. The Navy and everyone else was encouraged to continue the work, and the Navy supplied money for research.

Scientists were coming to the United States from Germany until 1939, when the war with Germany was started.

In 1940, after research using Tesla's approach, they decided they were ready for a full test at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. They had a small ship and a tender ship at each side. One ship provided the power and the other supplied the drive for the coils. They were tendered to the test ship by cables. The idea was that if anything went wrong they could cut the cables or sink the test ship. Everything worked and the project was declared a success.

The important point about the 1940 test is that there was no one on board the test vehicle. It was strictly a dry run with no people. This is important because of what happened later.

Other people came on board. Thomas T. Brown joined the project because of his expertise in electrogravity effects. He had the task of solving the problem of the German magnetic mines that were affecting allied shipping and Naval efforts. This led into a parallel project which involved the use of degaussing coils and cables to explode the mines at a distance from the ship.

The Navy wanted several people to keep an eye on the tests. That is how I got involved. Keeping technical commentaries. Let's look at Nickola Tesla.

In 1879 his father died and his first year at college ended. He came to the United States in 1884. He had enormously intuitive insight. He had a perfect track record. Before coming to the US he had known Robert Oppenheimer, who later worked with the development of the atomic bomb, and Dr. David Hilbert, the mathematician who devised equations for Hilbert Space, which described multiple space or multiple realities mathematically. These equations for multiple space became very important in the project. Dr. von Neumann met Hilbert in 1927 and retained a lot of what he had learned. With that, Von Neumann developed other new systems of mathematics. Von Neumann was considered to be one of the most outstanding mathematicians in this century. Some think he was better than Einstein. Another mathematician involved was Dr. John Levinson, who was born in 1912. He died in 1976. He published three books on mathematics. There is no other history of Levinson himself anywhere that I can find. Levinson developed the so-called Levinson Time Equations. with all this behind them, the group had all they needed to proceed with the project.

After the successful 1940 test, the Navy decided to give the project unlimited funds and to classify the project. On December 5, 1941 I was in San Francisco and the government came and told me that a war with Japan would start within 72 hours and that they needed me to assist them. In January 1942 I ended up at the Institute of Advanced Studies. Tesla was given a ship and a crew for a full sized test. Tesla got a battleship. Tesla and Von Neumann didn't agree on some things. Tesla insisted that they were going to have a very severe problem with personnel. Tesla wanted more time but the NAVY wouldn't agree. Tesla made periodic announcements in the late 1930's and early 1940's about his contact with off planet species. He was in contact with the outside, who agreed that there was a problem with the people. He decided to sabotage the 1942 test in an attempt to stop the project. He de-tuned the equipment so nothing would work. The test failed. Tesla then turned the project over to Von Neumann in March 1942 and left the project.

Von Neumann went to the Navy and requested time to study the problem to determine what had gone wrong. Von Neumann decided to make changes in some of the equipment. He decided he would need a special ship that was designed from the ground up. The Eldridge was selected. The equipment was built into the ship. They put all the equipment on the ship. October 1942 arrived. They selected 33 volunteers for the crew, who arrived after graduation in December 1942. We still have a picture of the class.

After the ship was out of drydock work began. In May of 1943 von Neumann installed a third generator. It would never synchronize with the other two. It went out of control one day and zapped one of the men. Von Neumann pulled out the third generator (installed because Tesla had convinced Von Neumann of the potential problem with people) and went back to the original design. In mid June, the ship had sea trials. On July 22, 1943, they had the test. The ship between radar and optically invisible. They discovered people very disoriented. The Navy pulled the crew off and consulted Von Neumann, who requested more time again from the Navy. The Navy, after consultation with higher-ups, announced that the drop dead date was on the 12th of August, 1943. Von Neumann voiced his concern that it wasn't enough time.

The Navy decided that it just wanted radar invisibility and not optical invisibility. The equipment was again modified by Von Neumann. August 12th arrived. We knew things were not right. The test began, and for about a minute everything was all right. The ships outline could be seen in the water. There was suddenly a blue flash and the ship disappeared entirely. No radio communication was possible. It was gone. In about three hours it came back. One of the masts was broken. Some personnel were partially embedded in the steel deck. Others were fading in and out. Some disappeared entirely. Many were insane. The Navy extracted the crew and proceeded with four days of meetings to decided what to do about the problem. They decided there would be one more test with another dry run without personnel. They conducted the dry run using about 1000 feet of cable attached to another ship. In late October 1943 the test occurred. The ship disappeared for about 20 minutes. When it returned, they found equipment missing. Two transmitter cabinets and one generator was missing. The cabinet with the zero-time reference generator was intact. At that point, the Navy stripped the ship and stopped the project. The Eldridge served in the war and was turned over to Greece at the end of the war.

The important thing is that there were two tests that were exactly 40 years apart to the day. It was a 40 year separation in hyperspace. Now, the Earth itself has a biorhythm that peaks on a 20 year cycle on August 12th. It "just happened" to peak and provided the connecting link through the fields of the Earth for the two experiments to lock up in hyperspace. Walk-in efforts are aided if they occur during this peak.

The ship was pulled into hyperspace. We were inside the ship and knew something was drastically wrong with the test. We tried to shut it off but it wouldn't shut off. We ran out on deck and jumped over the side of the ship. We jumped overboard but ended up in a time tunnel which ended at Montauk, Long Island on August 12th, 1983. At night. We were found very quickly and taken down stairs, where Von Neumann greeted us. He expected us. It was a bit of a shock. We had just been in 1943 and now we were in 1983 looking at Von Neumann as an old man. He said that there was a hyperspace lockup and that we had to go back and shut off the generators on the ship or the hyperspace rift would keep increasing and possibly engulf the planet. He had been waiting 40 years for us to arrive.

Montauk sent us back and we smashed the equipment with axes. The ship returned to its original point in space and about three hours later in time. From 1943 on, Von Neumann didn't know what happened. He had modified earlier equipment in 1943 to where he had a full blown time machine. The Germans also were working on time travel, and had it working in 1945 just before the end of the war. This is all a matter of record.

After the Navy decided to shut down the project in 1943, Von Neumann was sent to work on the atomic bomb project at Los Alamos until that was over. In 1947 there were major changes in the Department of Defense. Someone in the new structure decided to dig up the Philadelphia project to see if they could find out what went wrong. They asked Von Neumann to "take another look" at the project. He agreed.

There is another matter. Starting about August 6th, 1943, UFOs appeared over the Eldridge for about six days. They were there during the test. One of the UFOs was sucked up into hyperspace with the Eldridge and it ended up in an underground facility in Montauk in 1983. It contained a charging device which some aliens made us go back and get for them, as they didn't want humans to have it. We don't know who they were. Pruett was concerned about an alien invasion.

Also, Von Neumann was called by the government to come and assist in the examination of a crashed UFO in 1947 at Aztec. Another crash occurred at Aztec about a year later. The first crash had greys on it and none survived. At least one occupant survived the second crash. The radar systems unintentionally brought down the craft. Radar was used intentionally after that until the aliens got wise to it. The occupant of the second crash was not a grey, and Von Neumann got to talk with it. Von Neumann asked it what the answer to the invisibility problems could be. He learned that he had to go back and do his homework in metaphysics. The nature of the problem was that the personnel on the ship were not locked to the zerotime reference of the ship. Humans are normally locked to the point of conception as a time reference, not a zero-time reference. The time stream lock allows the person to flow in synch with the system so interaction is possible.

Time locks are fragile. All the power of the project disrupted the time-locks of the people on the deck on the ship. When the ship came back in time, the people didn't come back to the same reference.

Von Neumann realized that he needed a computer, as well as some knowledge of metaphysics in order to be able to lock the time reference of the people to the time reference of the ship. He built a computer in 1950 for the purpose. It was ready to be installed in 1952 and a test was performed in 1953 that was successful. They didn't go floating off into space when it was over. At this point, the Navy canceled Project Rainbow and changed the name to project Phoenix.

Alot came out of the negative effects of the Rainbow project. Some of it led to mind control research programs in the Phoenix project. The invisibility research produced some Stealth technology as well as other highly classified projects.

In 1983, they decided to apply mind control to all participants in these projects in an effort to cover them up. They had also been working on another project: age regression. Now, Tesla had sought back in the 1940's to develop equipment that could help the members of the crew after they lost time-lock . The government developed it into the age regression program. It was physical age regression. A person retained the memory they had from the older age.

Tesla's theory was that if you took the individual's time-lock and moved it forward in time than you would remove aging. That's what happened. It took between 30 and 60 days for the body to complete the change to the new time reference.

Now, some of this turned up in the movie called the Philadelphia Experiment, which was released in 1984. The government got an injunction which banned showing in the US for two years. It was overturned in 1986 and it was out on tape. I saw the film in 1988, and it helped bring back some of my memory about this.

Any initial comments about electromagnetics?

Well, are a lot of interesting aspects. There is a explained by most theories. It is not magnetic field only propagates at 0.4 of the electromagnetic field propagates at the speed electric field (according to Maxwells equations) propagates at the rate of c-infinity, which means that it propagates throughout the universe instantaneously. If you understand those basic relationships and how they interlock with higher order energies and fields, like soliton and tensor fields, then you can understand how an antigravity drive will work. It is a fact that the unified field theory was completed by Einstein and given to the US Government. They have it and they don't want anybody to know they have it. It was never released publicly in any books. This kind of knowledge is used as a method of control between and for governments. It's unfortunate. The government is supposed to be "for the people and by the people". That is what it says in the Constitution. I wonder when the last time the president read the Constitution?

It seems like there are more people involved in secrecy than there are scientists. Where are all these people?

There are government agents and agencies everywhere that are concerned with keeping things secret. These days, the secrecy is applied more to the applications of hardware than the hardware itself. It's not like it was in the 1950's. As an example, the guidance package for the new Minuteman X missle that was developed for the Air Force by Northrop is unclassified. There was no classification on the circuitry and It was so accurate that it could take a missle and drop it down a chimney stack. The applications was capable of was classified.

Isn't a lot of this left out in the open to distract what is really going on?

Of course.

What is the capacity of the gravity craft fleet of the United States?

I don't know. I know that they have built quite a number of them.

What are the capabilities of these craft?

Well, when our astronauts first landed on the moon in 1969 they were greeted by a fleet of disks sitting on the rim of a crater. The astronauts asked their superiors if they knew about these disks. They were told "yes", that they were American disks. The astronauts were angry at being used as public relations men by the government.

Why spend so much money on the Stealth bomber when they have had this gravity technology for so many years?

Well, the aircraft combines two aspects for invisibility. One of the aspects relates to the construction and coating applied to the surface. The other aspect relates to an electronic type of invisibility package which is a result of work done on the Philadelphia experiment years ago. Also, the stealth has a secondary drive system which is very advanced and allows it to fly in space. The assistant director of NASA admitted that this came straight out of alien technology. He admitted this to the public.

He did?

Yes.

That's interesting in view of the government's apparent position with respect to covert technology.

There are breaks in the government secrecy programs that are starting to show up. More and more people are getting totally disgusted with government activities and attitudes and they are beginning to talk.

Maybe it's a deliberate leak.

It could be deliberate. Even MJ-12 in 1984 was about to break some information to the public about ET's and UFOs. They decided not to release it at that time. John Kennedy demanded that they release it within one year. He also demanded that the CIA get out of the drug business. They assassinated him.

Have you found any resistance to what you have been coming out with?

No. The Navy keeps quiet, but I hear rumblings underground that they are definitely not pleased about it. The so-called .. martyrdom clause" works in my favor. They know that I know why they can't touch me. If they do, they know that there will be real problems in time and space because of it. There are two of us that are holding certain factors in stability. If anything is done to either of us, there could be a rip in hyperspace. The whole reality system will shift. I will give you one guess as to what it will most likely shift to: We won the second world war by a slim margin. German technology was way ahead of us. If the war had gone on another 30 days the Germans would have won it. They had super weapons in production which they were ready to use. They were so close to winning the war that Churchill and FDR were really worried about it. If the system shifts, it could shift to a parallel reality where the Germans won the war.

That's why the government doesn't dare kill either of you?

Right. Because of what we were involved in, it might jeopardize our entire reality system.

Could you explain how a closed time loop works?

Well, one of the problems that has developed is that when you travel through time you cannot come back to the exact point of origin. It has to be later than when you left. If you were to come back to the exact point at which you took off you would be at the same point twice in your lifetime and there would be a very serious problem.

Would you refresh my memory about some of the dates involved with the development of electronic mind control in the US?

The mind control experiments were moved to Montauk about 1969. The hardware phase of some of the later experiments began about 1975; equipment to modify the SAGE transmitter was ordered about 1973.

ITT was the main contractor and sub-contracted portions of the contract out. Most of the contracts were awarded to firms on Long Island.

So what did they actually prove that they could do when the experiments were over?

What they essentially proved they could do was that they could control a person that they had the "signature" for. This pattern that was unique to an individual could be put into the computer program for the transmitter. A second order wavelength would be transmitted that has a lower attenuation and affects that persons mind directly. There could be a command to do anything focused at the person. Once a device was constructed that illustrated this principle on a wide scale. A mental message was put out that if anybody heard the message they were to call a certain phone number. Over 600 calls came from all over the East coast all the way down to Florida. It works.

That's interesting. There's a fellow who calls himself Lord Mattreya who says that he is the Christ returned to the planet; that when he links up with the international press he will send a telepathic message to the entire planet in their own language and they will hear it. They also are supposed to receive a visual image. So.. they have that technology?

Yes. There is not only an indivdual signature. There's a racial signature and also a universal signal for the human race. The government has used all three to target specific individuals. They have also done group messages targeted on a specific racial or ethnic group. That's common. In Boston and New York they were doing experiments on "mood control" on the cities. Transmitters used no longer exist, but the technology does.

Do targeted individuals perceive what they are receiving as their own thought?

Yes.

Is there any defense against that?

Yes and no. Theoretically no. This is what the government depends on. Practically speaking, they can't get everyone, because some people are naturally resistant, depending on their level of mental and psychic development. Perhaps 5% of the population do not respond to these signals. If they get 95% coverage, they don't care about that 5%. That's what they have the riot squads and the concentration camps for. There is no defense unless you can interfere with that signal. Some people just don't react.

So they transmit a thought signal?

Not exactly. If you were put on an EEG, you would exhibit a certain pattern of electrical responses. These can be recorded and they are unique to you. It can be recorded and stored and replicated on a computer. If they can replicate your RNA/DNA pattern they've got you too - for life.

You mentioned about concentration camps?

Yes. They are all over the United States. There are three in Arizona alone.

So they can control us to the point where we'll just hand over our guns?

That's what they hope. It depends on how effective this equipment becomes, how thoroughly installed it is everywhere, and whether or not people can ferret this stuff out and render it inoperative before that time arrives.

How about the idea of a conflict between moral conscience and what the mental command tells you do to?

You don't have the option not to act as it says the way that equipment is set up - if you are not aware enough to make a connection that it is not your thought. It does not negate choice, it just puts in a strong impluse or command. Those people who responded by calling that number had no idea what went through their heads. Some of this does require preconditioning to a response pattern.

Could they be doing this over the media, like television and radio?

Of course.

You're suggesting a state of absoulte corruption.

Absolutely correct. Planned corruption.

With this kind of technology, why do they need concentration camps?

Because there are always people that are resistant.

I would think that they would annihilate them, not lock them up. The first step is the camps, where you can handle them easier, then you can eliminate them en masse. You don't go down the streets shooting everybody down. Once you're in the camps, they break you down mentally. They're experts at that.

We think they're shipping guillotines in there for the people that don't comply. They're looking for a slave labor force. That is what H.R. 4079 is about that's in Congress now. It creates a slave labor force in the prison system, which will be privately owned. States will pay the private prison a fee in order to put their prisoner in there.

Yes.

What are some of the other projects that relate to the capacity of factions operating within the United States Government and corporations to manipulate and control the population?

Well between 1977 and 1978 a project called Dreamscan came on line. It ceased in 1979. The goal of the project was to gain the technical ability to enter into an individuals mind in the dream state and cause his death. There was a movie called Dreamscape which showed what they discovered they could do. The project was run by the Secret Government and managed by the NSA. The purpose of the project was to provide for a means of covert assassination. President Carter found out about it and had it stopped. The hardware is still intact and in storage. There have been attempts to put it back on line by various intelligence operations, some of which are said to involve AT&T operatives.

What else?

Around 1987, a project called Moonscan started. It lasted into 1989 and involved positioning mind control equipment on the moon for use on the population of earth. It, like the others, has clear connections to negative alien activity.

Who ran that one?

It was managed by an organization called Airborne Instrument Laboratories (AIL), who have had other covert projects under their wing. At the time, AIL was run by Eaton Corporation. It is now managed by the Department of Defense as of 1988. There are three branches of AIL: Covert, Commercial, and Defense.



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Any other mind control programs that you can mention?

There was a project called Mindwreaker that would allow paralysis of the mind. The aliens were heavily involved with that project. it produced several neurological weapons, some of which are used on the B-1 bomber, which also contains a lot of alien technology. At time, various alien species came and went out of AIL. There was one group called the K-Group, which was short for the Kondrashkin. They had pale skin that had a slight greenish tint and almost no hair. They looked human, and had to bleach their skin and wear wigs. They have been periodically involved with covert projects since the 1940's.

Where has AIL been located?

In New York Stare, at Farmingdale, Deer Park and Long Island.

What is the current status of AIL?

Well.. there were eight projects ongoing at AIL that also had to do with the development of weaponry against aliens. In 1989 the Orion group discovered this and destroyed the projects. It can only be assumed that AIL still functions in other areas.

What other research goes on at Long Island?

Research on scalar weaponry, like the one that destroyed the Challenger.

I thought the Challenger was destroyed by the Soviets using scalar weapons?

No. The Soviets didn't do that. The oddity with the incidents as far as the Soviets were concerned was that they pulled their ships about 150 miles out to sea before it happened. They were not the direct cause, which was a scalar weapon that they were trying to put into orbit and test. It accumulated a charge while the Challenger was going up through the atmosphere and turned itself on. That is what destroyed the Challenger. It might have been deliberate.

What was the ultimate power behind the Phoenix projects?

Ultimately, the whole thing is manipulated by the Orion group. The expectation was that they could use mind control to take over the populace in the 1990's - no later than 1994 or 1995. They have also been doing genetic work in which they alter a human sperm and ovum to the extent that all offspring will produce hybrids with new characteristics. Humans will mate and create children with alien genetics. That's one step beyond the average abduction scenario. There are other things happening with the human race.

Like what?

Since 1947, there have been components of the 6th race incarnating on the planet. The 5th race was the Aryans. The 6th race humans are 100% telepathic - the secret government and the Orion group sees them as a threat. They've been aware of it since 1942.

Wasn't there a movie about something like that years ago?

Yes. I don't remember the name, but it came out in 1982. In that film, there was a drug that made babies that were 100% telepathic. This kind of thing has actually happened. There was a Canadian company that was producing a drug which turned out to do just that. This was between 1946 and 1947. It was removed from the market immediately, although its use continues privately. In the movie, the government had a way of using electromagnetics to explode a persons head to get rid of them.

Sounds like something they mught have developed at Montauk.

It does, doesn't it?

What is the current situation with aliens?

Somewhat mixed and confused. There has been a lot going on all around the planet. In September and October 1990 there was an alien group from some other dimension that was attempting to invade the planet. They took down all the zero-time generators all over the country. The FAA was especially affected. The rogue group was stopped by another species. For many years, some factions of the Orion group depended on a ring of alien satellites that would sustain life functions. Those were wiped out in November 1990 by the same group.

So there are positive light forces out there that are seeking to balance these negative activities by the Orion group?

Yes. I am not at liberty to tell you their identity.

Do you think that this group is related to those who flew over military nuclear silos and rendered the warheads inoperative?

I don't know if they were involved, although I could ask. The nuclear charade is another thing on a cultural level. The idea of nuclear war was eliminated a long long time ago by all major powers on Earth. The threat of a nuclear winter and the fact that you can't detonate two nuclear devices too close together in time stops them from doing it. I think a lot of people are aware that the same forces that control the United States today are the same forces that supported the buildup of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union and arranged for WWII and Vietnam. The public has been lied to in so many areas since the early 1930's that they don't know what's going on. Most people still think that the Congress and the President run the country and that they have Constitutional rights.

How about some interesting technology spin-offs from the Philadelphia experiment?

Well, there are a lot of them in use by the CIA and the NSA, as well as other corporate and government agencies. There is a portable unit that can render an individual invisible. The NSA is known to use those on a fairly regular basis. There is also a UFO research based covert organization that is believed to have them?

And what would that be?

Well, its a super secret international organization that is funded by all major governments. It performs research on aliens and alien technology, coverup operations, and also does espionage. The group is negatively oriented and is considered to have no positive attributes in relation to other humans. It is called the International Aerospace Alliance.

How does it fit into the hierarchy of command and control?

It's connected to MJ-12, which is believed to be headed by Kissinger at this time. It is also connected to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the President. AIL type units are also connected to the MJ group.

I have heard a tape of Robert Lazar, the EG & G scientist, and others who indicate that the highest clearance level is ULTRA. Is that it?

There is also BLACK LEVEL clearance.

What is involved with those little implants that are spheres?

Those devices are about 3mm in size. They are called SBMCD's, or Spherical Biological Monitoring and Control Devices. They represent an organically enhanced synaptid processor powered by a micro-positron flow that controls or mimics the functions within the human nervous system with micro relays that duplicate brain operation or engram patterns.

What is the real story behind Wilhelm Reich?

Most people are familiar with Reichs brilliant work with bions, weather modification, cancer biopathy and other devices. Reichs work has been of interest to the National security Agency for some time, and it involves the fact that when a person is electronically maintained in a pre-orgastic state in their nervous system, gateways unto the mind open up for mind control to take hold. It is his most secret work as far as applications are involved. Reichs contact with alien species, his discoveries about life energy and cancer, and the mind control applications are some of the reasons why he was killed. This knowledge was combined with other knowledge, some of it alien in nature, and integrated into the work at Montauk and subsequent covert projects to subvert the people of the United States and the world under an Orion based system.

What are some of the ways they put people into this state?

Well, there are these devices. Every psychiatric facility has them. For a male, they attach electrodes to five points on the body (you can guess what one of those points are) and turn the device on. It makes programming an individual really easy. It is devious, but a lot more humane than the old electroshock therapy. The thing is, the device is being used for control instead of in a way that might benefit the individual.

What about the Philadelphia Experiment as related to aliens?

The Philadelphia Experiment was not an alien operation, as such, but what was the set-up was the date, August 12, 1943, because it had to be locked to the Phoenix project on August 12, 1983. The date was set by alien influence in order to cause a 40-year hole in hyperspace through which large numbers of alien craft could enter this dimension. It worked, but it didn't last long enough to give the aliens the maximum benefit of the scenario. The order for the date came from a man in the White House who was directing certain aspects of the project.

This man was one of the K-group and headed what was called the Psi-corp. It was an alien intervention. This was scheduled to be a main invasion from a different universe.

How about other types of aliens that were involved?

Most of the other alien groups around, including the ones that had their shipped sucked into hyperspace, were observers of what was going on, not participants. Beyond the obvious fact that they were observing for themselves, there is insufficient data to determine whether they were observing for anyone else.

What about the alien ship, again, that was trapped underground at Montauk?

I was part of the group that dismantled it. What is involved is that you have to find out how everything goes together. You have to read their manuals... there were seven occupants of that ship; four of them would not talk to us. Eventually, three of them did, and we learned their language and deciphered their manuals about the construction and maintenance of the ship...

They weren't Greys?

No. They were about 6 foot 5 inches tall. They were essentially human in appearance. They had dark leathery skin. They had no hair. Where they came from we were not sure. We don't even know why they were there, except perhaps to observe the test on August 12, 1943. When the ship appeared in 1983 underground, we were initially concerned as to whether this ship represented some sort of "point man" for an invasion of some kind.

Was there any weaponry aboard that craft?

Not that I remember. The ship had a lot of strange devices on it. We took a lot of stuff apart. We took off part of the control panels, and communications equipment. We decided not to touch the main power plant because we thought it might blow up if we fooled with it. We left the food processing units intact. The ships drive systems were removed. A lot of the ship was stripped down right to the shell. It was left that way.

Why would they suspect an invasion?

Idon't know, except that there have been so many groups over the years trying to invade this planet. One wonders why they want to bother with this mud ball and its backward technology.

John Lear suggests that the human race represents a gene pool.

That is one good possibility. Another one, and I get this from sources I can't reveal at this moment, is that they are seeking certain rare earth elements they apparently can't find elsewhere.

Robert Lazar mentioned a book that contained the history of earth and that it said that humans were referred to as ..containers for souls" and that souls could be traded in something like a barter system.

The aliens are doing it all the time.

They're trading in souls?

Yes. They were shuffling us around like we were cattle to them.

Property. What do you think of that concept as applied to humans?

Well, it is mentioned that several races consider humans in some ways similar to that. Whether it is the bodies or the souls that are considered property, I don't know. It appears that they are concerned more with the bodies, the genetics, and the capabilities of the human mind. The capabilities of the human mind are virtually unlimited. That fascinates some species.

Those aliens that were on that ship. What became of them?

Out of the seven, four did not talk and three did talk to us. One of the group that did not talk to us was evidently the captain of the ship. He eventually killed the three that did talk to us. The four remaining aliens were put into "deep freeze" by the people who were running the underground at Montauk. I have no idea what they did with the other three bodies.

What happened to the craft?

it's still there, as far as I know. It was a gold colored saucer about sixty feet in diameter. It had a bulge on both the top and bottom.

In one of Linda Moulton Howe's books they had pictures of types of alien writing. Were you ever able to determine the language they used?

The language they were using was apparently that of the Greys. The symbol that the Greys use a lot is the same symbol that the Trilateral Commission uses.

How big is the underground at Montauk?

It's very large. It extends for miles, especially the 5th and 6th levels. Almost all of it was constructed in the late 1920's or early 1930's. We talked to one of the men who was one of the contractors who built it. It was built on government orders right after the depression started. It was built in six levels. They covered the top over with earth. It's known locally as "the hill". Its a huge base. There may still be some use of it. Most of it is shut down. The power has been on for two years now, single phase 220 volt. The elevator used ran on three-phase 440 volts, and that has not been turned on, probably because they plugged all main openings and the elevator shaft with concrete.

How many different species of aliens are you aware of?

Well, the Greys were not part of Montauk. By agreement they never went there. There were groups that were part of it, like a group who called themselves the Leverons. There were those there from Antares that were only observers. They looked like humans. There were members of the Orion group there occasionally. The K-group had some connection with the place, but I personally never saw any of them there. Lastly, there were the inhabitants of that ship that was captured. The Orion Confederation includes a lot of groups, including the Leverons.

The Orion group is supposedly at war with a group called the Elohim. Would you say that is accurate?

Yes. This is happening. The Elohim group is a very old race, perhaps the oldest in the universe. At least its the oldest we know of.

Is there any particular species that has the greatest control over humans?

The Orion group. They're the weasels in the background that manipulate everybody, including the Greys. The Orion group includes the various reptilian species.

Was the zero-time generator from alien sources?

No. Tesla created the zero-time generator in the 1920's. It provided a very basic time reference which is actually locked to the center of our galaxy. That's why they call it a zero time generator. Locking equipment to that is the only way you can get some of these higher function generators to work.

The aliens use crystals quite a bit.

Yes. Crystals can store and modulate enormous amounts of energy. There was a crystal in the alien ship that ended up at Montauk that was about 18 inches long. Other factions of the alien group appeared in one of the side tunnels off the main time tunnel and captured several of us, and wouldn't let us go unless one of us went back and got that crystal for them. We did. The problem was is that we were in the time tunnel too long, because the time references the man I was with dissolved, and he began to age at the rate of about a day per hour. Within three days he was dead.

What are some of the ways the government became involved in time travel?

The Navy had the ability to use the time travel technology from about 1970 and developed full operational capability in 1973. They did do an experiment where they tried to go back and kill the father of the man destined to be the head of the new One-World government. They did kill his father, but it made no difference. They didn't understand why it didn't work. Robert Lazar was voicing the concept that time is quantitized or compartmentalized and that you can't change what has already happened in terms of the past.

Is the Navy tied in with the secret government?

Small elements in the Navy are, but the Navy in general is not.

So in the 1970's they were against what was going on and tried ways to stop it?

Yes. At Montauk we did succeed in changing the past, so I know it can be done, but it takes enormous amounts of power and more than just a time machine, but I won't get into that.

So the person who will be the head of the One World government is walking around and has no father?

Theoretically that is true.

How could this guy have come into existence?

That's a very good question. That's another one of the paradoxes of time.

Was this person already in existence before they went back and killed his father?

Yes. They assumed that he would disappear and cease to exist.

Do you know who this individual is?

No. Not by name.

Is the One World government interested in longevity? It seems like all these plans are on a long term basis. It would also seem like it would take too long before those in control could really reap the benefits.

When you get to the level of the warped mentality of the world leaders that are controlled by the Orion group, you don't really know what their goals are. They are totally dependent on a specific technology, including time machines which are anchored in the 40 years time rift plus the extensions in the time matrix which goes another 20 years. Time machines are based in the technology that had its origin here within that time period, and from what I understand as of 2003 they will suddenly find that their time machines no longer function.

Why?

Because they were created on the basis of something which was basically artificial - the rift in time. The function is based on the rift. Then its back to the drawing boards.

Have they constructed any concrete plans based on the rift that might disappear when the rift does?

I don't know. I can't speak for the whole government.

Are any Orion based timetables involved in this?

Well, the Orions have their own ways of doing things.

Would they be dependent on this rift?

No, but the Greys are somewhat dependent on it, having used it to get here in large numbers. The Orion group itself is not here in a large number.

They let others do the dirty work for them?

Yes.

Do you get any particular feeling what things are like within the secret government with respect to the groups of aliens?

Well, they were panic stricken to get rid of the Greys. I don't know if they're that panic stricken any more, because I understand that the Orions are essentially gone, except for the mop-up squad, which have their own life support systems.

The general life support for the others was destroyed by another alien group in November 1990. They could not exist here without electronic support from the ring of satellites they put up there ages ago. Almost all of them packed up and left.

What is the nature of the electronic support?

They cannot stand the vibrations of this planet. The Greys like it because this planet is very much like their own home planet.

How would all this relate to the idea that their is a planetoid coming into this system with a bunch of reptilians on it. Would they bring their own electronic life support systems?

Yes. They can replace the satellites. They may well be back before long.

How do you view that scenario, where the planetoid full of Orion reptilians, or Draco, is coming here?

Well, we monitored the signals coming from the planetoid. They were coming in at around 25MHZ with twelve carriers spaced 50KHz apart. The Orion group reptilians have twelve chakras, maybe that has something to do with it.

Then this could be the part of the electronic signal that might even be representative of their electronic life sustenance matrix?

Yes.

It might well be necessary to set up transmitters of our own that would interfere with that kind of electromagnetic emanation.

Yes.

How about the Orion genetics?

It's very similar to that of humans. For a long time they were hoping to crossbreed. It didn't work properly. That was one of the side issues of the Montauk-Phoenix project, to find ways of crossbreeding. They never did fully solve the problems.

So this is where the concept of twelfth density would come in?

Yes. Probably. What they were hoping to do if they succeeded in crossbreeding humans and Orions was a silent invasion where they would take over humanity by crossbreeding and eliminate the humans they didn't want. At that point, Orion souls would move into the crossbred bodies and it would be complete. They would not need electronic support systems to survive here, which consists of 12 satellites.

So how does this affect the world government plans, now that the Orion group is temporarily gone?

It changes the context of the system that backed up the One-World government. They were backed up by and expected support from the Orion group. With the Orions out of the picture, they are on their own.

How about the Greys?

They're running around in circles. They are probably continuing with the genetic work and the abductions but they are lacking all direction except that which they already had established.

There was a recent abduction of woman in Seattle on December 3, 1990 where there were beings that looked human. They told them, however, that they weren't really human and allowed them to see their true form. It was a variant reptilian species they had never seen before. They asked the abductees questions about their experiences with the Greys. The woman got the impression that the reptilian humanoids thought that the Greys were going to far in their interactions with humans and that they were looking into it. Any comment?

No data on that one.

Well, since they were looking into Grey excesses in behavior, they probably were an offshoot group and not anything to do with the Draco.

They probably were an offshoot group. I have gotten the impression that not all the Orion Confederation is evil. There is a group within the Orion Confederation that function as sort of overseers and they are apparently quite upset about what these Greys are doing, but apparently there is not much they have been able to do about it. The basic heart of the Orion Confederation that we have become familiar with is totally evil and self-centered.

They basically want to take over the Earth?

Yes. They want to take Earth because of their desire for the planet as a staging base. They also desire the water and the minerals. There have only been partial success of their cross breeding program. A few hybrids have survived. They essentially look human but have Orion genetics within them.

What's going on in Washington right now?

They are up to their eyeballs in problems. They consider the thing with Hussein in the Middle East as the least of their concerns.

What are they concerned with?

They are concerned with AIDS and other, disease problems which are coming to earth from space. There are currently two huge clouds of amoeba-like creatures over the polar regions of the earth. These have shown up periodically over the last ten years. NASA is working on this. Every time they've been detected, all kinds of strange illnesses break out. They don't how they can stay alive and be in outer space. They're very concerned about that. The AIDS situation is so far advanced that it is considered to be a disaster.

How do you bounce that against the fact that AIDS was created at Fort Detrick, Maryland? Are the aliens ultimately behind that as well?

I don't know. It's very possible. It originated on the orders of the World Health Organization. I suppose you have to go back and see who was responsible for this diabolical plan within WHO to create a virus that would destroy the human immune system. They found out that once it was released that it mutated like crazy and there is no way to produce a vaccine for it. The government does have a way to cure it, but they do that on a pretty selective basis. The cure involves electromagnetics. There are also other means that have been discovered, but the government doesn't want the outside world to have it. Its part of the population reduction program.

Which is whose idea?

Apparently it was a decision reached by the secret government. The final decision was made in the White House in 1972 on the basis of a meeting of world leaders under Nixon. A friend of mine got the notes from that. He's now in prison, and he talked about it publicly in 1974. He said that they had the meeting and agreed that the planet was overpopulated and that it had to be reduced. The decision was to reduce the population from 5 billion, which it was at that time, to 1 billion by the year 2000. They were to use any and all means to do this. They believed that the earth could only handle 1 billion inhabitants. Their problem was how to exterminate 80% of the world population in 30 years. They modified the figure to be 2 billion by 2000, but the AIDS thing is going to take care of a good part of that for them. The latest figures coming out of Washington indicate that Africa is now as good as doomed. In another ten years, 75% of Africa will be dead.

There have been recent figures to suggest that 92% of all babies born in Africa today have the virus.

Yes. in India, the rate is 51%.

It seems extremely irresponsible for a government to create something that can take people and do that to them.

Well, it was the "undesirables" that were given the virus first.

They should have known that this thing was going to get out of hand.

They didn't know that was going to happen. It was also figured that it would affect the young set, those in their prime, most.

if they travel in time and know that geophysical changes will take care of a large part of the world's population, why would they bother to do it? Especially because you have a bunch of 50 year old men having to wait 30 years.

I don't know. Obviously they didn't think.

Or it wasn't them who were ultimately responsible. The only ones who would have a long term anything to gain would be aliens, so it further indicates that ultimately there are negative off-planet forces that are responsible. The aliens know about the changes.

How did they spread the virus initially?

Through World Health Organization inoculations that were contaminated with the virus. The first program was in black Africa in 1974 with the smallpox inoculations. They then went to Brazil and other Hispanic countries and did it there. In 1978, they laced the gamma globulin for the Hepititus B vaccine because the homosexual population was the greatest consumer. That's why it showed up first in the United States in the homosexual population and why it was claimed to be a homosexual disease. Nothing could be further from the truth, but it was something the Evangelists took up quickly, saying that AIDS was "Gods curse on the homosexual". People didn't worry about it who weren't gay. The people who planned this didn't figure on the ability of the virus to mutate.

It must taken someone with a really stupid mentality to do this.

What kind of disturbances have appeared with each appearance of these amoeba-like clouds?

Respiratory disturbances. It's been detected in the New York area and on the west coast. Details are scant, but they consider it a major problem. It affects the human system directly. It is also the mechanism behind the influenza attacks in 1916 and 1917 that killed so many people.

It is possible that the ozone layer was deliberately affected in order to allow this influence to come through?

I don't know. The greenhouse affect is taking hold because of it.

Is there any particular alien species whom it would benefit if the earth dried up and became desert?

Yes. The reptilians species might be good candidates.

Where do the Greys come from originally?

From outside our time/space continuum. The government does not fully understand where that is, since they don't trust a lot of their information about them.

Do the Pleiadians use the gravity amplifier to fold time and space?

No. They have a hyperspacial drive system. They don't do it in the same way. They use velocity rather than folding.

Aren't they beneficial to humans?

They have not been invited to help. They are also sensitive to earth politics, galactic directives, and their own policies. It comes down to the fact where you don't interfere when you're not asked. Even when you are asked, there are limits to what you can do.

Can they be asked?

Well, in the case where you would have interference on a mass basis, like in response to the Orion incursion, you're getting involved with the history of all humanity. We'll have to see.

I would think that the only hope would be to collectively raise the consciousness of the entire planet.

Right. There are also other problems. The government worked out a deal with the Greys some time ago and has some of their technology. Weapons have been developed. They now have a missle that has a minimum operational range of I light year. We can hit any spacecraft well beyond the solar system.

I saw a brief on the news where the Star Wars technology is being turned around in space to hit down asteroids. Will they in fact be used primarily as a planetary defense against alien incursion?

Yes. The directives out of Washington seem to point to the fact that the secret government wants no aliens here at all interfering with their plans. They have not solved the problem with the Greys.

How do aliens refer to religious concepts?

As far as I know, none of them have any religion as such. They acknowledge a divine source in the universe. The Greys refer to the universe as a mind.

What is your prognosis for the future of the human species?

It will survive.

Why was it mentioned at one time that 2011 was the last year that they could see anything tangible?

It was mentioned in the Mayan calendar that 2011-2013 was a barrier of some kind. Psychics have said that there is a 'barrier around 2013 that they can't go through.

That doesn't mean there is nothing beyond that.

No. It's just blocked from view. Even to the time machines. There are a lot of people wondering whether they are going to retain control over humanity beyond 2013.

There seems to be a quickening of consciousness right now as we are beginning to go into fourth density.

Right. There seems to be some evidence of this.

Do you know where the current entrances to Montauk are?

No, but I know they're there. The last time two people went out there to look they were abducted. They were knocked out electronically and taken underground to another facility where mental adjustments were made on them. They were returned to the spot, but one of them was not returned exactly at the same time as the other. There was about a 2 second gap and the one that was already there saw it. They knew immediately that something was wrong. They were given a warning. The underground system is still in operation. There are three entrances near AIL. They have three plants in the Farmingdale area. Brookhaven National Laboratories have an entrance to the system. There is also a connection to the Newark ITT Corporation building. From there a spur that goes to the ITT facility at Nutley. There is also a tunnel that goes from Newark to Wright Patterson AFB.

Do they use Maglev trains in this tunnels?

Yes. There is a very extensive tunnel network under the United States. The interesting things is that once you get past the coding system at the entrance elevators and get into the underground, nobody asks any questions. They assume you are supposed to be there, unless you make it obvious that you are not by your actions or appearance.

Why do humans age?

There are two genes missing from the human chromosome. One of them controls the aging process, so humans age. Because of this, when cells are duplicated in the body they are compared to the parent cell, not a master pattern that would exist in the genes, so the duplicate is not exactly the same is time. So humans age gradually.

There has been some discussion of the biorhythm cycles of the planet. Could you explain that again?

The cycles of humans are well known. It was not known until after 1983 after Montauk went down that the earth has cycles. It was discovered by accident. After an analysis, it came out that there were four basic cycles involved. These four cycles reach their maximum peak every 20 years. It's always on the 12th of August.

So the next peak will be in 2003?

Yes.

Do the biorhythm cycles of humans and those of the planet interlock'?

It is not known to interlock.

Have you seen the movie Milleneum? What can you say about the concepts portrayed there?

Yes. It was well done. It was an attempt to explain some disappearances. It's an intriguing idea. Strangely enough, they didn't cover something that really happend in Denver around 1965. A jet was coming in on final approach in daylight with no bad weather and vanished entirely from the radar screen. It was never found. No trace. Years later, in Tucson, I met the son of a man who was vice president of United Airlines. I asked him about it. He said, "how did you hear about that?". I said I read it in the newspapers and then it was hushed up. He said, .. you better believe it was". I asked him if anyone knew what happened to it, and he said that they had no idea. There was no wreckage, nothing. There is no way it could have happened like that.- but it did. The ideas in Millenium were more along the line of something they would have developed in the Phoenix project.

Are there any tunnels under the Pyramids?

There is a tunnel under Giza. No one knows when it was constructed or how.

How about spacecraft or anything else like that?

An expedition was mounted as a result of data gathered back in the 1920's and 1930's about a secret chamber under the pyramid. They built equipment in later years and went in down into the pyramid and found this metal door 500 feet below the base of the pyramid. They found other doors. The doors used a sonic code. They found a room with over 30,000 recording disks and alien equipment. They made photos of the disks with IR film. The Egyptian government wouldn't allow them to take any out. The disks were deciphered. They described the rise and fall of civilizations in outer space going back more than 100,000 years. This group built this record room and then built the pyramid over it. There was no UFO, but a lot of equipment was stored on three levels. They photographed over 2,700 record disks. According to an Air Force contact, these disks are sitting in a safe at Kirtland AFB in New Mexico. They don't want the public to know the information.

How is the government involved in cattle mutilations?

Human scientists are involved with longevity studies using adrenalyn. They have developed altered adrenlyn, and drugs called cordrazine, cortropinex, formazine, and hyronalix. All of them have an adrenalyn base. The only way to get the large quantitites of adrenalyn is to get them from cattle. Some of the substances they develop affect psychic development. Other drugs have physical restoration properties. Aliens use cattle for the biological materials as well. They use the materials in their breeding program and for the construction of cloned individuals.

Do you know when the Federal Reserve is going to issue the new money?

I don't know. There have been several dates that have come and gone. When they do all the current cash will be worthless.

The plan is to give a short notice date by which people will have to turn in their old money for new. Of course, you will have to account for it, especially since it is now illegal for you to have $3,000 or more on your person. It's coming.

Would you consider the secret government the Fourth Reich?

It's hard to say. My understanding of it is that the secret government is not connected with the Nazis but with world bankers, old money and what's called the "black nobility". These were the blue-bloods of Europe. They actually did have blue blood, and it was not hemoglobin based but copper based. They were semi-human. There are still to this day, some animal species in South America that have copper based blood systems. There was a problem with hemophilia, and not because of intermarrying. The problem was that they started to marry outside of the copper based blood system. Hemoglobin and copper systems don't mix. That's where the laws against marrying commoners originated.

What about these synthetic humans?

Human cloning was developed at the University of Utah at Salt Lake City in 1977. They first aired this on TV as part of a series. They had an alleged human clone on TV that they were interviewing. It didn't talk very well. They showed the original human and the clone. The clone was not all that successful. It took 14 months to generate a fully adult human clone in a tank. It was a two part series. The second part of the series never aired, for obvious reasons. CIA sources have confirmed that it started at the University of Utah. The government has a facility for clones. The first one was built in the Mount Hood area, about sixty miles east of Portland, Oregon. They have other facilities in other locations. Locations must have stable geomagnetic fields and other special characteristics or the cloning process does not work properly. They can replicate them faster now. They have clones of all the major government figures. This is partly for security reasons. it also creates the situation that when someone falls out of favor, they clone the person and kill the original. This kind of thing apparently happens with some frequency.

There have been allegations by some that Carter and Reagan were replaced.

Yes. I've heard that, but I have no information that says that it happened. Reagan looked a bit funny after his assassination attempt, particularly after he came out of the hospital.

It's curious about the cloning facility in Portland. Were there not reports in the 1960's or 70's about people seeing a spitting image of Hitler there?

Yes. it is curious. There isn't any connection that we can establish, but anything is possible. Hitler could have died as late as 1984. I have heard rumors that he was the top director of the Phoenix project, but those rumors were not considered to have any merit by most people. Eichmann was apparently involved at one point until the Israelis got him. A lot of top level Nazi scientists were involved. There was a man called Huntermann who was the associate director of the project. We wondered if there was anybody above him. There was - a complete collection of pure Nazis at the top. The Germans were also involved in work with the Greys and cloning processes.

Are they Nazis still running things?

Idon't know what interconnections they may have today. I have two friends who say opposite things. one says that the Nazis are in charge and the other says that Jewish scientists are in charge. Other people say its MJ-12. Take your pick. I think that they're all involved.

That's very interesting about the duality of the Germans and the Jews. Recently, we received information that these two groups of entities are originally from one source out there somewhere, and that they were banned to this planet to work out their differences. They have apparently always sought to destroy each other ... and they are still doing it on many levels. Everyone else just has to stand by and put up with it, I guess. it just adds to the mess. Orientation of both groups appears to be negatively oriented toward service to self instead of others. There have been things recently said by abductees that indicate that they were taken to joint Nazi-Alien bases were they had swastikas on the walls. This was within the last two years.

Do you remember the Reinhold-Schmidt story? He was a businessman who lived in New Jersey in the 1950's. I finally got a copy of his book. He insisted that one time when he was driving home from work, something went wrong with his car. He was approached by someone and was taken aboard a saucer. All the occupants were dressed in black clothing and talked in German. To him it appeared like they might be Nazis. He wasn't sure but he thought they were. They picked him up by agreement several times thereafter. He began talking about it and he had a visit from government agents who told him to shut up. He insisted. He was picked up and put into treatment in a mental hospital for about four months. When he came out he was a changed man. He died sometime later. Up until he went into the mental hospital, he was insistent on his story. This was approximately 1956. I'm not sure. He was a prominent businessman. It was a sensational story at the time.

It's interesting that you should mention copper based blood before. Aren't the Nordics involved with that?

Yes. Although Nordics are humanoid and externally almost identical to humans. There are subtle differences in the Nordic alien physiology, and most of them are based on the living conditions that they have grown up in. Their planets are extremely hot and dry, and have a low oxygen content in the atmosphere. They have a larger lung capacity than humans and have a copper based blood in order to carry oxygen more efficiently. The eyes are protected by inner lids and can allow them to see into the ultraviolet range of the spectrum. They have only 28 teeth, as they lack a back pair of molars. Their heads are longer than humans. The brain case is about .2 mm thicker and the bone is harder. The brain is the same as the human brain as far as structure and size is concerned, except for the midbrain area, where there are functions that allow telepathic and telekinetic skills. It explains the psionic powers of the Nordics. They average about 2 meters in height. Females about 1.7 meters. They have no sweat glands. The skin allows moisture to be drawn from the air as well as moisture to penetrate. The heart beats at around 242 beats per minute, and the average blood pressure is 80 systolic and 40 diastolic. They have extremely dilated blood vessels. The heart is located where the human liver would be. The cartilage that would protect a human heart extends down 3.5cm further in the Nordic in order to protect this structure. Blood cells are biconvex in contrast to the concave cells of humans. Kidney type functions only allow about half the liquid consumed to be excreted. The rest is evidently put back into the system. Urine is thick with minerals and appears in color and texture to freshly pumped crude oil. Feces are dry pellets with all moisture removed. The adult Nordic can regulate the amount of adrenalyn in their body. They have no pineal gland. Nordic females are capable of being impregnated at any time, but the males are capable of impregnation about once a year. The period of incubation is three to five months.

What about the Sirians?

Well, we are finding out that they are seemingly involved in the Dark Side activities with abductees along with the Greys and elements of the US military and intelligence forces. we are finding out that Reich programming is currently being used as of December 1990 on abductees. This is a direct outgrowth of work at Montauk. The Sirians are usually described as about 6 ½ feet tall, blond hair cut very short, and blue eyes that have a cat's eye vertical pupil. They're negatively oriented. I have been working on a case where this 21 year old woman has had contact with them, the last time being in December 1990. The beings present were the short little helpers that the Greys use; the ones that wear hooded cloaks. There were Grey clones, tall Greys, Sirians and US military personnel of some description. The woman had her breasts and other body parts hooked up to some machine that maintained her in a pre-orgastic state while they used inculcation bars with red and blue lights to aid in the programming. When she does something they don't like, they take her out of her body and stick her in this black box, where there is terrible loneliness and isolation. She really broke down when she was describing that, saying that she didn't want them to put her back in the box. They evidently told her that if she talked too much they were going to do that. On the lighter side, she has also had contact with positive groups. There has been some discussion as to whether these negative Sirians are part of the Kamagol II group that built the records chamber under Gizeh, but that has not been established. The negative Sirians are considered part of the Orion group that is playing the domination/control game.

Is there some significance to the red and blue lights in the inculcation bar?

The lights on the bar are of special frequencies. Pulsing of these lights is often combined with sonic patterns to virtually reprogram the mind of the individual. This kind of activity has been going on for tens of thousands of years. Why do you think that the Orion based groups that control todays society use red and blue on police car lights? Its very restimulative and many people have buried memories of programming sessions that have occurred through their various lives. The result is fear and negative emotional response. It appears that during the last 40 years there have been a lot of people that have been incarnating that were on one side or the other in Nazi Germany, and we are finding a lot of abductees that have memories of the Greys during that period. Sometimes they find that they are dealing with the same exact beings they dealt with in another lifetime. Of course, we know that abductions also follow multi-generational patterns. It all ties together.

There have been some that have said that Hitler was connected into things in terms of the Aryan race and ET's. What is the story behind that?

Well, Hitler spend a lot of time in libraries before his mother died, and he was convinced that the white race was going to be squeezed out of existence in anoth&r 75 years. He decided that he was going to be the defender of the Aryan race. This was back before World War One. He was also relating this to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, where in the 24th protocol it says that the white race will be destroyed by genetic inter-marriage. He wanted to stop the trend. He became interested in metaphysics. The Dark Side involvement began after a bout with peyote before World War One and his involvement with the Thule Society, which was connected to Aleister Crowley and the Order of the Golden Dawn in England. Hitler also adopted the idea of fighting the communists, because the communists were just about ready to take over Germany. There were not Greys around in large numbers but they were there. The Germans were involved with alien technology. They had one version with electromagnetic drive. They had jet aircraft in 1943. They had nuclear weapons but Hitler did not use them. Mind control research was ongoing.

Getting back to present day, what do you think about the idea that the Saudi government is being bankrupted by the US?

Well, the Rockefeller group sold the Saudis 30 year notes back in the 1960's. They are coming due. The Saudis want to get out of the paperwork nightmare so they won't lose all their money. The Rockefeller banks were going to declare bankruptcy, so the Saudis said they would pull all their investments out of the United States and collapse the economy totally. The United States backed down and that is the reason why there is all that forgiveness of debt business going on. It was done with Bushes authority. The Saudis were satisfied. Now the problem with Iraq arises. The Israelis have refused to carry out the deals they have made about leaving the west bank area. Hussein is saying that if the United States can convince Israel to do that for the Palestinians, then he will walk out of Kuwait. That will defuse the entire Middle East situation. January 15th is the apparent deadline date. There are people in government that are crazier than Hussein. As of early December 1990, a contract already exists with Flora Construction company to rebuild Kuwait, so its going to happen anyway.

Does Iraq have nuclear devices?

I'm not sure. They were stealing trigger devices for quite a while before the government found out about it and started substituting non-functional ones. It's believed that they do. The Iraqis are also said to have devices that had their origin in Nazi Germany, such as the air-fuel bomb, which will "turn the air to fire" and suffocate American troops. There is a concern that he will also use chemical weapons. The United States used chemical weapons in Korea and Vietnam. If Iraq uses them, the United States will respond with devastating force. It would be a good time for the secret government to bring out their disks and impersonate alien species in an attempt to pacify the planet. When the United States wins the conflict, it will produce potential problems for years.

It is seen as the only option. They could impose this in a pseudo-religious way in an attempt to unify religious groups that are on "holy war" campaigns. Either way, presence of .. an apparently benevolent technology" would cause a peaceful unification. Presence of "an apparent malevolent technology" would achieve the same thing, but with a negative unification based on fear. There are again another aspects to the middle east scenarios. One aspect is that the middle east represents an annoying delay to the secret government that has been caused by Iraq. This delay could affect certain types of agenda. Another aspect is that since the US basically controls the planet, all this is a sham for the public - to keep humans up tight, in fear, and at each others' throats it could be reflective of what is ultimately an Orion based agenda. It is a matter of record that flying disks have been seen in all wars and conflicts.

How about the Congress? Are they aware of the alien and drug things that are going on?

Some of them are, but they are turning their heads because they want to collect their retirement. They're just hoping the government will be solvent when they get to that point. There is no question that as we enter 1991, many agendas will accelerate and many hands will be forced.

Are the men in black residents of Earth?

The group is an off-world one. They monitor conditions on the planet. They are not physical beings, but they can become solid.

Do the black helicopters have anything to do with the MIB?

No. They are managed by the Army. It is a super secret group that have bases all over the United States. They have one near Sedona. They have one in Connecticutt and in Newark, New Jersey. The helicopters have no markings and are used for operations involving drug smuggling, mutilations and security for alien related operations and projects. Obviously, it's all illegal as hell, and they have been getting away with it for 40 years.

What about the subliminal programming that happens with television?

The FCC "ruled" years ago that it was illegal, but it never stopped. You find it more common on cable tv. There are using subliminal conditioning on all cable networks. They use it to emphasize different elements of what you are seeing around you. People end up being brainwashed and stay ignorant.

What are some of the capabilities they have?

The government has vans that drive around that are capable of complete mind disruption. They have used it before to kill a man in his house in fifteen minutes. All it takes is four helicopters flying in tandem to completely mentally wreck a city if they have those pods on them. The pods are an outgrowth of the Phoenix project. They, can produce heavy mood control over a city. They are going into areas beyond the electromagnetic. They are trying to increase the,stress level in the population. It is no secret that Bechtel was laying cables under major metropolitan areas several years-ago,claiming that it was being laid for others" whom they wouldn't reveal. It had nothing to do with electric, telephone or cable TV.

What is another possibility as to why the death of the father of the One World government failed to produce the dematerialization of the future leader of the One World government?

This seeming paradox can be better explained this way: The people who went back and tried to kill the father were successful but the son still lived. This is all related to the Grandfather Paradox. The truth of the matter is that they prevented the birth of the leader of the One World government not in the time stream where the existing person was born but in a parallel one where he never existed in the first place. It existed before and after the effort to kill the father; the parallel time stream also exists where the Germans overtly won the second world war. There are differing but parallel interrelated worlds and universes, each having an endless number of streams relating to individual entities. These streams are ultimately expressed as different patterns and outcomes for the same entity depending on the level of expression for the entity at any one time. All divergent entities are part of the one reality which is the all embracing unity. The varied potential tracks all exist as one unified central force. The parallel tracks that exist in our universe, depending upon which one of them is taken, will determine the ultimate outcome for the individual entity, and this can change.

What is the actual nature and purpose of the Orion group?

Basically, the purpose of the Orion group is enslavement and conquest. Their objective is to locate certain individuals who vibrate in resonance with their own vibrational complex and manipulate them. There is a concept called spiritual entropy which apparently causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. They do follow the Law of One but observe free will according to service to self. Those on the enslaved planet then disseminate the attitudes and philosophy which is service to self. These individuals become the "elite". Through the elite, the attempt begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary entities are enslaved by their free will.

That seems like what is happening on the planet right now, especially in the United States.

Yes.

Why don't they just come down in force instead of using the back door, as it were?

Well, they could. A mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement on the free will of the planet. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be reestablished. The way they are doing it is characteristic of the Orion group - to have others do their dirty work for them, including humans. That way, the abridgement of free will is not so obvious. It didn't help the situation when agreements were made with different alien species. It didn't matter that the agreements were made with groupings of humans that did not represent the wishes of the mass consciousness. The technical fact of the agreement allowed a lot of action that was negatively polarized. The Orion group specifically targets civilizations before they become a social memory complex.

What does it mean to have a society with a social memory?

Well, a social complex consisting of individual entities becomes a social memory complex when it adopts one orientation or seeking in a specific direction. When this happens, the group memory that was not available to individuals becomes known. The advantage of a social memory complex is the relative lack of distortion.

What does polarization mean for an individual entity?

Generally, entities can have little or no polarization, positive polarization or negative polarization. A positively polarized entity will select a path embodying service to others. An entity choosing negative polarization would focus on service to self. A negative polarization involves the elements of control and repression. For example, a negatively polarized entity would seek separation from and control over others by sexual means and have the idea of power as an end. The negatively oriented entity will program for maximum separation from and control over all entities which it perceives as being other than itself.

Are not all humans, for example, expressions of each other?

Well, yes. Entities will eventually realize that their actions on other selves are actually being done to themselves, since the consciousness present in each entity is a variation on the same thing. The individuation is present to allow maximum differentiation of potentiality and creation.

Many people have been discussing the idea that we are going into fourth density. What does that mean?

Basically another general vibratory rate. It also relates to the realization that one is not separate from the creator. It is that kind of spectrum which has been called by the Christians as the "second coming". The second coming is a state of being, not an individual arriving and establishing a power hierarchy.

When will this be completed?

Well, entities on this planet should make the attempt to polarize in terms of what excites them no later than 1993, or it will be harder to do so. Polarization can be positive or negative. Generally, the fourth density is much more full of life. Entities must still care for their physical vehicles. It is also a density where compassion, understanding and love are more predominant. Full conversion to fourth density will occur between 2003 and 2013.

Its interesting that according to the mathematics behind the I Ching, everything goes jackpot around 2012.

Yes. Nothing will be the same on Earth. It is changing right now. What we are seeing is basically the death of the third density way of life.

Does density level refer to polarization?

An entity can be negatively polarized and in fourth density, but it is an intense struggle because of the development of telepathic functions. If there is a place in which fourth density negative entities have established a power structure, then there is more use of the concept of mind control in order to keep the negative structure from conversion to positive orientation.

What about the upcoming geological changes? How does that relate to all of this?

The fourth density is a vibrational spectrum. The time/space continuum has put Earth and that star system into that type of vibration. This causes electromagnetic realignments within the body of the planet. The energies and collective thoughtforms of the population also disturb the energy patterns of the planet. Geological changes accompany transition between densities. At this point we are in the last 20 years at the end of a cycle which has lasted 75,000 years.

Anything more about fourth density?

The majority of the Orion group are of fourth density. Some are positively oriented toward service to others, but most that are concerned with the current situation are negatively polarized and playing the domination game. Entities on Earth following any religion or no religion at all will move into fourth density if they are that vibration. Entities not at fourth density vibration will remain at third density vibration and will move to other locations to continue third density life until their vibrational level increases and polarizes in time with a cycle of density movement. The polarization can be positive or negative.

How does the idea of a higher self relate to densities?

In terms of an entity perceiving through as linear time structure, the higher self exists in sixth density and functions in the entites "future". One interesting aspect of it is that the entity who is perceiving the higher self manifestation is actually a thoughtform materialized by the "higher self" itself. Entities in these terms are actually a complex composed of what they perceive to be mind", "body", and "spirit". These complexes can occur within single entities or groups, depending on the specific space/time conditions. The higher self is that self which exists with full understanding of the accumulation of experiences of that entity. At one point, the entity perceives a lower self and a higher self. They are not actually there "simultaneously"; functions of the higher self interact from a position in development which equates to the linear "future" of the entity, as perceived by an entity in this state. Obviously, cultural conditioning encourages development of impotent states of mind where the "lower self" is in control and the "higher self" is reached very little or totally ignored. There is no synthesis that will permit the energy of the intelligent matrix to flow correctly.

How are the cultural states of mind organized? How do they fill the needs of the Orion group and the Brotherhood?

Well, start with the prime factor of body identification. The society promotes the concept of "you are your body", which results in fear, especially fear of "death", which is tied in with the idea of physical pain. Combine this with religious doctrine and various cultural ideologies, and you have a very fertile ground for manipulation. There is also promotion of identification with the personality and ego. The ego is culturally conditioned to a reactionary state which is encouraged by media and literature to focus on the elements of security, sensation and power. Under these circumstances, individuals are basically disempowered and blind. In terms of cultural activity, individuals are put in a position where they spend most of their time dealing with "self preservation", "self-gratification", and "self-definition". These functions are basically left hemisphere related. The ego structure often becomes fragmented into "partial selves", making the problem even worse. What is missing is the love of truth, life, and the creator that we are all a part of. The idea is to transform "self-preservation" into right action, .. self-gratification" into right feeling, and "self-definition" into right thought. This is not probable in the Orion based culture in which we reside if the missing elements are not introduced. What will help to introduce it is the quickening of the vibrational resonance as we move into the fourth density, and what we are seeing around us is the desperation of the negative forces as they grapple for position and control. The alien agendas are beyond secret government manipulation, and at this time they are very worried. That is why the mind control technology has been developed and implemented - to make sure that they can try and preserve control over the population.

Thanks to the publication "The Sovereign Scribe", we are following this section with some interviews with Al Bielek and Preston Nichols; the material relates very well to the data that you have just read. It features some interesting data about the alleged United States ventures on Mars and more data about the Delta-T antennas. Enjoy!



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Interview with Duncan Cameron and Preston Nichols

DC = Duncan Cameron
PN = Preston Nichols
SS = Sovereign Scribe

SS: Regarding the Montauk experiments, you said the tunnel was large enough to drive a truck through; where did they drive the truck?

DC: Where did they drive the truck? Well it's a figure of speech that you can drive a truck through. There are all sorts of associated phenomena that pass through whether it be information or people or such.

PN: But first of all, get the truck underground.

DC: ... Something that wasn't ground level. It was underground. it was underground. All the time-space stuff was underground.

PN: It was at the summit with the Delta T structure.

SS: How far down was it?

PN: 1/4 of a mile, maybe somewhere between a thousand feet and 1/4 of a mile. It was way underground. This is according to our recollection. We have no proof of it of course.

SS: Could there be a reason for it being underground?

PN: The reason was essentially they built, see the Montauk time and space portal was essentially an artifact that came out of what we call a Delta T antenna. You have a picture of a big thing made out of wood with wires shaped like this. That's what we call the Delta-T antenna. The portal actually appears in the center of that. If you pump this thing right. They had trouble building this above ground because when they started to test above ground the fields from the transmitting equipment were so strong that they had to locate it low enough below ground that there would be a neutral point between the fields of the equipment and the building above ground and the fields from the antenna way below ground because at that neutral point sat the chair that he [Duncan] sat in.

So I have to point out also that they did not want any of the raw pulse. See this antenna took the raw pulse from the pulse modulators of the radar transmitter and essentially put it into Del Cross F Cross E Cross B Cross G function. Which means they were essentially generating gravitational waves that would enfold into space-time waves in itself. And you could make a time-space portal; only one end of it was controllable, such, in '83 you could make an extension of it anywhere in the past, present or future you wished. If I took this antenna here and added in pulses from a pulse modulator in a radar transmitter it would probably wipe out every TV set within about 50 miles of it. But they had to keep this thing far enough under ground so that the EMR electromagnetic interference would not be radiated. Also they wanted to make it big enough, I think it was 250 feet, this one was 10 foot. I think the one we had at Montauk was 250 feet to 300 feet - something like that. This one, the actual portal might be that big (a few inches) but if you've got one that's 10 times the size and is like that you could literally have a portal... I believe the portal size was 10 to 20 feet that they were actually able to create. I could make a portal maybe 2 inches here cause the antenna's small.

Of course above ground there would have been certain construction problems. With making the thing below ground where they have the undergrounders making holes in the floor and pass the pipe and the wires through the floor and the thing up and you don't have to worry the wind's going to blow it down and this sort of thing. There's a number of reasons that it was underground.

SS: And also you said it would be harder to detect?

PN: Yeah, who's going to see it from the air?

SS: Wouldn't they'd pick it up?

PN: Also the Hertizan leakage would be way down if it's underground. It wouldn't wipe out TV in Montauk. Montauk is so far out they have huge power and rotary beams that they can look at Boston or they can look at Rhode Island or Connecticut or New York with. And the signal strength at Montauk is very weak so it lakes nothing to interfere with the TV in Montauk. They don't want to get the Town up in arms.

SS: Did they use that to build the legendary city on Mars?

PN: This is the information we have. We have not been able to back it up. It is only memories of Mr. Cameron and Mr. Bielek. I was not involved with that part of it myself. It wasn't that they built the big city. They found an ancient earlier civilization that was abandoned. They first got to Mars and realized that yes, there had been a civilization there at one time and the above ground of it was crumbled back into dust. But they did detect huge underground installations which were still making magnetic fields and this sort of thing that they could detect and they realized that there was still machinery running underground and of course they first went all around Mars and they couldn't figure out how to get down underground without bringing boring equipment and cutting a tunnel right down in. When Montauk had the working capability it would be nothing to target the other end of the vortex from '83 through to whatever time they wanted to inside Mars itself and this is what they did. And Duncan himself can talk of stuff he saw on Mars.

SS: What did you we?

DC: Something that has recently come up -- both Preston and myself were in a private meeting in Long Island with a man who was known in the UFO field. He spoke; he was giving some pictures regarding UFO's. He came up with some photographs having to do with the moon Phobos. I reacted to that strongly. When I recall physically, there is a physical reaction and I'm startled. After spending a little bit of time with that -- investigating it, it now seems from my own investigating and outside reading per se. When I say I am reading, I am basically sensitive to electro-magnetics and can access information zones whether they be on a local scale, the Akashic which is in domain systems or out of domain, higher evolved and such.

Information that I got from the outside information zone is that there is a system which still is on Mars. It originally was an electronic crystal type system which was part of the defense structure for the solar system that has been turned off. Defense meaning to keep for ones self. In that sense we all have energy fields about us and there is a defense posture to keep outside influences away. If you think on a planetary scale in a solar system, if such defenses were set down, if that were one of the stations per se, to keep out nasties or to keep the intelligence within the solarsystem alive and dynamically moving, if that were to be shut off there would be all sorts of obtrusions that would not ordinarily come through.

Whether that was one of the directives involved in the Mars project or if that was one of their aims as such or by products, the defense system on Mars is down and there are all sorts of associated troubles and disturbances because of that. It's a linked system that we haven't quite figured out the other aspects of. I could go on, it's just a quick brief thing. Both myself and Al, according to recall, have been there mostly on a directed mission, per se. Sort of like a 'seeing eye'. Part of my duties at Montauk were to basically to be in sort of a trance-type system and have something pass through me which would be -- how do I say -- for information's sake going places or something. It was one directive system so I can only tell you on very linear function what happened. Basically I was there just to see about. Basically it would be 300 or 400 feet underground plus the cavern type systems. There are all sorts of symbolical references there. Tonal frequencies. It wasn't necessarily a generator per se, but all sorts of frequencies that were very much alive -almost as though some kind of intelligence, per se. It was part of my duty to go and investigate and see what occurred. So that was more or less the two things that I saw.

SS: Did you see traveling back in time, did you see a civilization on Mars?

DC: No, not I. Not myself. Possibly with Al. I only had 5 or 6 specific missions that I was involved in, as part of my recall. Having to do with Al I don't know. Until recently I have been denying any associations having to do with the Philadelphia Experiment or Montauk or associated problems because of a denial system within myself so now I am moving ahead and trying to learn and reeducate myself so I am looking out for more information even as we speak.

SS: Did the face on Mars have a function beyond decoration?

DC: That's a good question. I've never looked at that. In that sense I could only be speculating.

Montauk was responsible for conditioning and influencing the consciousness of the earth. That was one of the priorities, possibly, tools to work with to condition and control people.

PN: The information source from what I remember your reading said that it was essentially a defense for our whole solar system. The Mars system would be protecting us well. That's the first thing they would do was to shut that off so they could get in.

DC: That would make sense.

SS: So if they had it on before Montauk then Montauk went up and shut it off...

PN: Somebody went from Montauk through the portal that was from space point A to space point B probably in real time. The first thing they would do was shut that switch off. They had to somehow sneak into the defenses and turn the switch off. Maybe they had the key to shut it off. I don't know. I wasn't part of that project. I was the guy that did the electronics on the project. I was not involved with who went where. I don't believe I went anywhere particular place in time.

SS: Do you know who is using that kind of equipment now?

PN: Undoubtedly the secret government still has some more equipment. I can't believe that they're leaving it alone. I don't think the monster in '83 scared them off completely. They slowed it down some but I'm sure it's back on line running full force right now somewhere.

SS: Is there any way to detect that?

PN: I pick up signals from similar projects all the time. But signals that Montauk sent out sounded very much like the Buzzsaw that was sawing the microphone in half that you talk about in your magazine in your first article (Vol. 1 #131). The Montauk function sounds very similar, in fact it's been speculated that they're playing Montauk tapes in these other transmitters and that's what we hear as the Buzzsaw. Because the function is the same. It's the same kind of function. It's just a different emulation of the system. Montauk ran at 450 to 470 megahertz. What we're talking of today is 3 to 30 megahertz. But the modulations are the same as far as I can see.

SS: And that includes the tunneling effect?

PN; No, I'm talking about the mind control aspect of Montauk.

SS: How about the tunneling?

PN: Tunneling -- that would work the same because it is all thought forms. But you would have to go in to an actual time warping function such as the Delta T antenna.

DC: We somehow by chance or design ran into some girl in Long Island who I had some association with. She was troubled for a number of reasons and I followed her information basis back on a psychic read type system. and it seems like she was hooked up to something called 'Freedom Riders'. She had some degree of clairvoyance.

How the thing works: when the DOR sensor is connected it sends out a reverse of the DOR patternings and since you have an exact reverse oscillation being built by the transmitter, it cancels the real DOR oscillation. It cancels it right out. Then they transmit the orgone function in phase so it replaces the DOR function with the orgone function that's picked up by the orgone sensor. That is simply in a nutshell how this thing works.

In the '40's, '50's, and '60's, they sent up thousands of these things. There were 200 to 300 of these in the air each day. Now the interesting point to notice here is, if we look at all these different devices, they all have a bottle shape on the bottom-- that's the transmitter. And you notice they have roughly the same shape up at the top. This says that there is something estoteric here in the upper part of the unit, which we don't understand to this day.

Now if you look here, you'll see this is the modulator coil as outlayed in the diagram. It's got the same modulator coil inside this housing her.

SS: What's the power source?

PN: In this case, it's batteries. In the Biosonde it's AC.

SS: How long could they stay up there?

PN: A couple of days maybe. They'll float around until the balloon bursts and they had a parachute that slowly carried them back to earth. They can only transmit for about 3 to 4 hours. You could pressurize the balloon so that it rises to a point and breaks and comes down. Or you could pressurize it where it would float for days.

SS: Is that an actual orgone detector instrument?

PN: Well the thing is, the orgone and DOR output of these things is in the subtle energy realm. I don't know of any receiver that can detect the actual energetic function that is coming out of here, the actual modulation. You listen to this, you only hear a group of impulses. The DOR and orgone is inside those impulses and how to detect what's inside the impulses. I admit I don't know how to do it. I haven't had a chance to analyze it but I got a Radiosonde Receptor which is a receiver built to receive these things. It's a very strange circuit. The answer may be there, how to detect what this is sending, but I don't understand it at this point.

SS: But it's detecting what's there.

PN: You're talking about the actual detector itself.

SS: Yes. It [orgone] exists. The government hasn't said that it exists.

PN: No, they haven't. In Radiosonde circles this flat plate with the black stuff on it, they call a humidity detector. This is what detects the orgone. This little white rod here, this is a temperature sensing resistor, it detects the DOR. But also, this will detect humidity changes. The problem with this is as you dampen the thing, dry it, dampen ii, it goes out of calibration. After about 10 minutes of flight these things are useless. These things will hold their calibration for maybe weeks at a time.

But still it was lucky that they sent this up so someone picked up one of these things came down on the ground. They would see the white thermistor between these two thing-a-ma-bobs here and this plate down here. Now the plates sits between these two clips and these aluminum covers go over it. If you follow Reichian technology, aluminum lends to have a focuser for orgone. So they have the orgone sensor here with the aluminum plate over it, the aluminum plate will help pull the orgone to the orgone sensor. Copper focuses DOR. This is why Reich made the original orgone boxes out of steel or aluminum foil, but not copper.

Now this device here is a transmitter. After Duncan did his readings on these things, I realized what I had was a radionics transmitter. Whatever I put in would be sent out. Any of you people sensitive? All you do is take this and hold it. You'll feel your energies build up in it. It might get warm or it might get cool to you. That's essentially a resonator of hyperspacial energies, the psychic energy. And that design can be traced right to Wilhelm Reich through Brookhaven National Laboratories.

See, after Reich developed this package, he called up the government and told them that he had a device that could knock the violence out of thunderstorms and asked if they were interested. The government said, "Yes. We're interested!" They requested Mr. Reich to mail a prototype to Brookhaven on Long Island.

So they waited for a thunderstorm to approach and they sent it up into the clouds. As it approached, the thunderhead broke up and went around Brookhaven. Al Brookhaven there was a nice gentle sunlit shower while the area around was having a thunderstorm. So of course they were very interested. They worked with Mr. Reich to replicate the thing.

Now this transmitter, the silver box here, is a nice packaged AC device. We had to have a device that would sense; that's the input well. The first mode we played with was we took the orgone sensor from the Radiosonde and just plugged it directly into the transmitter. And now you can transduce your orgone. You hold this [sensor], you plug it in and turn it on. It's like sitting in an orgone box. This is picking up your orgone and building it up. We wanted to have a fancy witness coil so Mr. Cameron turned on his psychic sense, talked to someone in one of the higher domains, and he said we wanted to build a witness well. [A "witness" is anything that would carry the vibrations of the thing or place you want to sense or contact, such as, clothing or a possession would be witness to a person.] How do we go about doing it? And he channeled the whole design of this device including the well receiver, the circuit board and we made this input well. This input well turns out to be vastly superior to the input well of the Kelly box or an Heironymous box or any of those devices.

Now what this will do for you simply: you plug the wire into the transmitter. Whatever you dump in here [input well] this array of coils and receiver will pick up the electromagnetic component just as the chair picks up Duncan's electromagnetic component, and will transduce it to be broadcasted by the transmitter. This is essentially a miniature Montauk. Not of the power that they had. And if you put your hand in the well, turn the device on, it would start building up your energies.

How you use Radionics equipment, them am three ways. You can do a diagnosis with a radionics tuner where you get the rates, that where you put the witness in the witness well, you rub the rub plate and you tune the tuner until you get a maximum stick. (As you turn a tuner knob with one hand, you are rubbing a small 'plate' with the other hand; when you get a feeling of stickiness on the plate the tuner is at the right setting.) All that's telling you is whatever you're conceptualizing in your mind scans from low to high on the dial is in resonance when you get the "stick". You get several rate number systems you're using, you get the rates [from the position of the tuner knob], you go to the phone book of rates, took it up and see [what the diagnosis is.]

Now over on another column they'll be reversing rates the antirates. So you set the device to those rates, you throw the switch that says 'broadcast', and what it does it feeds the thing back so it oscillates and transmits to the person the reverse rates.

Now what is actually happening here? All the device is doing, it' a concentration point that's connecting you the operator to the mind of the subject. As you're scanning through, you're interrogating the subject's mind as to what's wrong with the body. Then when you do the treatment, you're actually instructing the person's subconscious mind what to do. As we all know, the subconscious mind is what directly controls the physical body, and if our conscious mind and subconscious mind stays in touch with each other, our subconscious mind has a foothold in the reality that can regulate the body correctly. As we get more paranoic and more upset and more bent out of shape and more crazy, the subconscious mind looses touch with the conscious mind. It means now the subconscious mind loose its foothold into reality. It doesn't know how to direct the body anymore. That's when we get sick. This is one of the major theories.

Now, if someone comes over and hits your leg with a sledge hammer it's going to break your leg. That's not caused by the subconscious mind loosing touch with reality. But disease that develop from outside influences such as germs and such, can be traced, it's believed by this group of people, to the subconscious mind not running the immune system properly to eliminate that irritant, and you get sick.

So what they try to do is find out, be interrogating the subconscious mind, what is wrong and telling the subconscious mind how to heal the body. The device itself doesn't heal. This is not a healing machine, this is just a broadcaster, what ever you put in the well for the primary witness, you can put any agent, thought form or whatever in the well just as you would with the radionics device. The energetic component of that stuff that you put in will tag along with the witness to the person and you can actually talk to the person's subconscious mind through this.

How you treat people -- there are three means essentially. The most common means is the reversing rate, which works psychically, by the people who designed the equipment. That's why you get the large book with all the rates and reverse rates in it.

Another way is through reagents such as homeopathic remedies, herbs, etc. which work on the subconscious mind and the subtle body. If the herb or reagent is purely an energetic effect, this will transmit the energetic effect to the person without using up the reagent.

Another mode they use was designed by Malcolm Ray in Britain. He made a box with two wells -- the reagent goes in one and distilled water in the other. He had cards that had geometric patterns or messages on them. The cards would contain thought forms. And as energy flowed from one well to the other well, it would impress the thought forms on the target well. The well does nothing with the writing or the ink on the paper, but it picks up and senses the thought that you put on the paper and transmits the thought to the subconscious mind.

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SS: You mentioned in your talk about Montauk and the old universe

DC: There were a number of survivors, if my information is correct, of the old universe. If Montauk was as good and as manipulating as we believe, the concept was, those people who had a connection into an old Earth function -- we call it the old universe -- if they were coming from a system that was highly chaotic and had come into here into this framework, if those people had a connection with such a system that was basically going to the more chaotic side and if Montauk was trying to bring in a great chaotic system, and somehow the control group got wind of this, there could be and what we have information on was an attempt to try to bring in this high disruptive value. There's all sorts of associated other rumors in regards to this. It hasn't been factual; we don't have a lot of information per se. But there is some evidence to support some of what appeared in Star Wars, indeed is a fairly good account of an old system that was basically failing apart and is growing more and more chaotic.

SS: Old in terms of time and space, or are we talking about a parallel universe?

PN: It seems like to me it's a parallel universe thing. The legend base essentially that a long time ago there was a parallel universe. Probably most of mankind was in that old universe. it evolved into a totally despotic form of government that took hold and held for millenniums, which is essentially what the One World Government has here. They will be starling up a despotic form of government and through their technology base they're able to hold the population pretty much the way the mind control here is heading. And what happened was a small rebel group that were fighting this, and the right continued. It went on and on and on just as in Star Wars.

But somewhere along the line another group of beings entered the old universe. They came in and did something terrible. The legend has it that they were a life form, essentially ape-mind energies of sentient beings, but they would suck the life energy out of you. They came in and there was nothing they could do to stop them. At that point a small group of what was left put all of the technology that they had into breaking the dimensional barrier and broke into this universe, but sealed the hole up enough so that this other life form could not come into this universe. There have been suggestions at Montauk that they were trying to bring this other life form in. We have very little data to back that up at all. This is pure legend at this point.

SS: There's a lot of science fiction like that.

PN: Yes. That probably is based on almost like a racial memory from a long long time ago.

SS: What were you referring to when you spoke of the Montauk chairs?

PN: There were two generations of the Montauk chair. The original generation was built in a site know as ITT World-Wide Communications / Makay [sp?] Marine in Southampton Long Island. That one looked almost like a multi-pyramid structure with three coils. With that one they were able to use a more standard receiver structure. They use the ITT Makay Radio. what they call an ISB receiver which was based on a 1950 Hamilin [sp?] short wave receiver, the same receiver I used to listen to the "Buzzsaw". They made a very special carrier synchronizer system in what we call ISB detectors which is upper and lower side band. So it means you have two outputs and one input for your receiver. What the outputs would look like would be an imaginary carrier and then an upper and lower information band. They would tune the to three of the hyperspacial window frequency channels. So you would have an upper part of the window and a lower part of the window. So they actually had six outputs from the three receivers, two for each receiver.

Now the carrier processing --they would take-- lets say you were detecting the X coil, they would take the Y and Z coil summon and then use that to modulate the X coil and do the same thing for the Y and the same thing for the Z. And the synchronizing system that they'd come up with on the suppressed carrier ISB reception was such that it was what we call a phantom-phase-lock-loop system where you don't even need a carrier to lock. The thing locked on white noise. So that means the thing would lock itself on the Delta white noise in the window frequency.

That's how the first chair was built. That had to be a distances away because that was subject to the incoming fields. They had to locate that far enough away so the transmitter didn't interfere with it. It was microwave length from Southampton to Montauk.

Now they had problems with it because if the information was being sent and the reality glitch or a reality shift happened it was a glitch in the information. You've got to remember the Cray-Computer at Montauk. was working on timing functions so the timing of the six data streams was very critical. For some reason they did not want to move the Cray-I to the Southampton installation then send the two channels of digital information on the microwave length. May be there was configurations in the Cray-I that were much more secret than the chair was at that point. The Southampton's installation of course wasn't as high a security installation as Montauk was.

They went with RCA for the second chair. RCA built the second chair. RCA had receivers which were already designed on the Delta T function. So it means instead of having the Delta T and the coil structure. the Delta T function was now in the receivers. So now they're able to use standard XYZ Helmholz [sp?] coils.. Then the new chair was underground at Montauk and sat in a small room where the coils were close to the chair. In other words, let's say Duncan was sitting in the chair. There would be coils on both sides of him, around the head and around the feet, then more coils on the top and the bottom. They were hooked to three very specialized receivers designed in the 30's by Nikola Tesla which had Delta coil structures in the receiver stages. Then they used the same type of IF detection with the synchronized oscillation. They used the ITT Makay-phantom-lock design on the RCA receivers. In other words, RCA combined the lockup system of the ITT with their Delta T receivers, so the receiver looked almost identical in design. It had the same six channels of output, had the same upper and lower side bands.

SS: But much better design.

PN: The front end was a Delta T design. They didn't need Delta T in the coil. Now the Helmholz coil structure can be... the coils can be phased where they're insensitive to outside influences. So that means they're able to operate at Montauk directly and they didn't have the data problem of going over a 20 mile microwave length and getting timing glitches every so often that would throw the whole thought for in transmission helter skelter.

There also is believed that there is a third chair set up in Britain on the on the Thames River. We call that the Thames Chair we don't know exactly where on t he Thames River it is. That comes up in readings. The other two chain I have direct memories of 'cause I was involved in designing the RF equipment that was used with both chairs. So I did see and I do recall both coil structures and both receiver setups at this point.

SS: You said you could tell somebody who had been through Montauk by their aura?

DC: Yes I do.

SS: How? What do you see?

DC: Basically there's a color attachment to it. It's a yellow-green nauseous attachment, if I could use the word. That's the only thing that comes to mind directly. It's the fading as though someone had that aura of leprosy, so to speak. He was an outcast, that had this strange queerness about them which was as though they were, let's say, buried underground for years alive, having that sense of strangeness or queerness about them. It's very distinct. If you've been exposed to it and had the sensitivity to see it it's really around them.

SS: When you say attachment, does that mean it's just on one area?

DC: It's within the auric structure and there's also attachments that go outside. It's also associated strings attached to the people, as the psychic type energy function that are in association with a person and outside. All sorts of tag-along are associated to it.

SS: And these attachments are still attached to something on the other end?

DC: Oh sure. It's not a healthy energetic structure of the body which, if the system is working correctly, it does clean itself back to its original process. It's an indicate of things that am askew, for sure.

SS: We've heard of putting magnets on your body to increase the energy. Are there ways to do this by magnetics besides by using electronic devices?

PN: Well the thing you can say about magnetic fields is that a magnetic field is the portal or window into the shell function or the anti-matter world. So a magnet definitely is a multidimensional window. Magnetic fields are pure potential energy, they're a pure potential structure. Unless you move them. they don't do any work. if you move them they do work. This of course is normal physics at this point.

So the body is needing the magnetic potentials that are good and vitalize you. I've also seen people I hat magnets have a tendency to drag down instead of build up.

SS: Someone we know experienced that. He was unknowingly sleeping beside some heavy magnets and woke up drained of energy. Perhaps the magnets were facing the wrong way, if there's a difference.

PN: Yes, there is a difference. There's also another kind of ray that comes off the sides of the magnet between the north and south pole. It's almost like a ray emanating into a black hole, is the only way I can think to express it.

DC: It's something that we've recently been exposed to by a fellow named Jerry in Staton Island, New York.

PN: He's a psychic that sees magnetic fields. Those plates we put in the Biosonde yesterday were from Jerry. There is a coating of, in black point, of magnetic powders that somehow he's witnessing to the Earth through the telluric field of the earth. And all it's doing was transducing the orgone field of the earth into the room. That's why you got the cool breeze going through the room. And that's tied directly into magnetism.

SS: At the lecture you mentioned "entrainment"....

PN: The esoteric database that we subscribe to believes you can entrain 10% of a system you can entrain the other 90% of the system. Which means if you can raise the consciousness of 10% of the population the other 90% will fall into the pattern sooner or later. They'll fall in just on the fact that 10% are there. This can be backed up... we have what we call the museum, which is a whole stack of radio receivers. We found that if you can tune up 10% of them, the other 90% of them will fall into the pattern, no matter where they're tuned. The level seems to be 10%. If you're like at 8% there's partial entrainment. 10% is full entrainment. So the plateau seems to be 10% from the viewpoint of physics. Why that is we can't explain. it has something to do with frequency transformed and this sort of thing and we can't express it at this point.

SS: Does the frequency make a difference?

DC: What is the prerequisite is the intent into the tuning. To have intent and follow that intent as you go along. And when you start resonating with that intent you get a vibratory pattern which is gracious to it and falls into it. Then you follow that along and get 10% then the rest fall along behind it. But it's the intent for sure.

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1991 Interview with Al Bielek


AB: Alfred Bielek
SS: Sovereign Scribe
TC: Tracy Cooper
DG: Danielle Graham


SS: I have a basic question which might be a good starting off point. Could you give me a thumb-nail sketch of how you make a battleship disappear? I know it takes generators ... now what do you do?

AB: A thumb-nail sketch is you have to distort the normal time field. In the case of what they were doing, they were rotating the time field in which the ship itself sat. If you rotate it at about 45 degrees it becomes invisible, if you rotate it 90 degrees it drops out of our reality and that's not what they wanted to do.

The basic technique, just in thumb-nail, is that you rotate the time field. Consequently radar signals will pass right through it like it doesn't exist. If you rotate it far enough, optically it doesn't exist. It would not be visible to the eye under normal observation.

SS: What is the time field?

AB: The time field is an extension of our physical reality. According to Einstein it is a physical dimension. In other words it's the fourth dimension.

SS: And can be moved?

AB: It can be manipulated, let's put it that way. It can be interfaced, it can be manipulated. You can do things with it. Consequently you do things with whatever is in that area of field that you're manipulating.

SS: Are you moving it with magnets?

Ab: You're moving it with electromagnetic fields and R.F. fields, however the means of modulation of those fields are such that it generates higher order fields. In other words, you're not going to affect the time fields with a plain, ordinary electromagnetic radiation.

SS: What's an R.F. field?

AB: Radio Frequency. The same thing as a radio of TV or whatever.

SS: So it takes a combination of the two.

R.F. field interacting in a certain manner and with additional equipment to produce higher order fields which will rotate the time field.

SS: If an object or a person is either brought forward or backward through a time tunnel, doesn't this create a "paradox" because of the object not belonging to that particular time?

AB: Yes, you do.

SS: Was that a problem?

AB: No it w as not a problem, so far as I know. I can only speak about Montauk. They regularly sent people through the time tunnels and brought them back. They did send some objects through the time tunnels with no intention of bringing them back at that time. Sort of like storage at a distance. I understand from what Dr. Herman Entenman said, was that on some of those occasions they lost what they sent out because the tunnel collapsed due to failure of the equipment. So the tunnel collapses and disintegrates. Whatever is out there is just atoms lost in eternity, so to speak. But other than that, no, they had no problems in sending something out and later retrieving it, whether it was a person or an object.

The real problem came when you made deliberate attempts, which were done, to alter the past history and alter what happened to certain people. That had an inroad effect on me. Something was done involving an alien that was shipped backwards in time; roughly 100,000 years ago. And also to my brother, I'm not sure what the time period was. I would estimate from what he said, about 12,000 years ago, maybe less, wherein something from a more recent time was forced back upon him and changed his whole nature.

SS: Where did the writers of the movie The Philadelphia Experiment get their information?

AB: That is a very long and interesting story. I wondered about that myself and we assumed, for a period of time, that that information came in mostly as speculation on the pan of the actual producer. I know who it is, but his name does not appear on the credits and he doesn't want his name known. But he asked Preston (Nichols) over a period of time from 1982 to 1983 a lot of questions about the Philadelphia Experiment, and Preston knew quite a bit about it, at that time, he finally admitted it, and answered this guy's 1001 questions, as it were. And this guy became the actual director of the film. We assumed that he expanded with his own speculation on this because some of it in there is not true, but it was based largely on Preston's information and his own expansion on it.

Turns out that wasn't the case at all. We did a lecture in New York in 1989. Preston, Duncan and myself were invited to talk about the Phoenix Project and the Philadelphia Experiment, which we did. Officially it was not video taped, but it privately it was. A copy of this thing somehow wound up over in England and got to EMI Thorn and got to someone in archives.

Well, they came to New York and looked up Preston. They found Preston's address and came to his home one evening and said, "We've finally found you." Preston says, "What do you mean?" He says, 'Well we've been looking for you for quite a while. You're the fourth man in the picture."

Preston says, "What picture are you talking about?" He showed him a photograph of a family portrait that was made in 1890 of the Thorn brothers of Thorn Industries. One of the backers of the organization was none other than Aliester Crowley and this fourth person who was apparently a bit older. The fourth person was identical to Preston except he looked approximately 10 years older than Preston looked, say a year ago. And they knew that this fourth person was important and Crowley insisted at that time that this man was not of their time, meaning the time of 1890. He was out of the future, and this guy gave him the whole history of the boat experiment and it had been in the archives of EMI Thorn since 1890.

It was some time in the 60's or 70's EMI Corporation and Thorn Industries merged and they decided to do a movie. The decision to start it was in 1983 and they came to the US. to do the filming. But they said that they had the actual record of the experiment in their archives since 1890.

SS: And you're saying Preston brought it back?

AB: Preston brought it back according to the statement made by Crowley at that time and according to the records in the archives.

SS: We'd like to clarify some things from the presentation. How old are you now?

AB: By my birth certificate 63. By adding the additional years when I was actually born I would be 73. In terms of real time not counting age regression I'd be 63 plus 30 which is 93 plus the time I spent on various secret government projects such as the Phoenix Project where they were doing the right brain / left brain split type thing, a sort of conjugate personality thing. They do this now to get you to work on two different projects at two identical times practically as two different people.

SS: So you've lived over 93 years in a 63 year old body?

AB: yes.

SS: Were you speculating that the Philadelphia Experiment was a set up by the aliens?

AB: It very definitely was a set up. Right now it is very definite. There was speculation a couple of months ago 'cause some of the pieces were just beginning to come into view. The whole thing was a setup.

SS: What tipped you off that it was an alien setup?

AB: Finally getting some data on Roosevelt's agreements, where he signed an agreement with the aliens in 1934. I started looking in on this and it started to make some kind of sense.

The Pleiadians were turned down in 1953 again when they insisted one of the points they required if they were to work out a deal with the US. Government was that they must scrap all their nuclear weapons. Well the US. government was just not ready to do that, not in 1953. So they were turned down politely and along came the greys and they made an agreement with them.

But again back in 1933 was Roosevelt's agreement with the "K's" and because of that in 1934 the Pleiadians went over to Nazi Germany and worked something out with them. But there you had across the Atlantic two powers which were getting ready to fight each other. There was one ET-group on one side of the Atlantic passing us technical information, it's going to be fairly obvious that it's very likely that there's going to be another one on the other side of the Atlantic feeding information to try and keep some kind of a balance, particularly one of them was concerned with the survival of a major segment of the human race.

I finally got confirmation from a number of people. The original confirmation, I understand there are hard copy notes on this, comes from Billy Meyers in Switzerland.

TC: What does E=MC²C² light reciprocal mean?

AB: That would be C to the 4th. That does not have meaning other than that would rotate you into one of these hyperspacial locations which is C to the 4th and you would be out of the electromagnetic and you would pass into one of the etheric domains.

TC: Would it be accurate to say that when they made the Eldridge disappear what they do is just rotate it into another dimension?

AB: That's what happened but that's not what was intended. What was intended was to rotate the time field so that there would be no reflections of either light energy or electromagnetic energy which is essentially the same as a matter of the frequency.

TC: So they isolated the time dimension.

AB: Yes, and rotated it and that was all they woe intending to do. But that of course is not all that happened.

TC: They ended up rotating the entire...

AB: ... localized field around the ship.

TC: How can you begin to understand that?

AB: Because I not only had all the physics training then but also the specialized training which came from von Neumann because he understood it. At the time when you graduate from the standard physics course even at the best universities today, even a Ph.D., you don't really know what's going on because that's information that's withheld. An understanding comes later. All that is a basis for laying the groundwork for understanding. The real understanding of what's happening has to come from private tutoring. This is why the Illuminati has survived so long because there is a hard basis of knowledge there, as well as ability. But von Neumann had figured it out, along with Hilbert, and his interface with Hilbert and perhaps Einstein and Levinson.

TC: What would you say to a person who had a physics background who wants to have a deeper understanding, how would they pin it?

AB: How? Hmmm. You would have to study currently some of the literature and information put out by Tom Bearden, for one example. But you have ,to be careful also about Tom Beardon because he also puts out some disinformation. You have to filter it very carefully. He does put out some good information but every so often he puts a corkscrew in there, and that's particularly true in some of his reference to the weather control generated by the Russians. It's not. We have our own. And some of the other things, some of the other basic physics which refers to the bouncing electron in the atomic shell that's real for a period of time and then virtual for a period of time. Well that aspect's correct. But he says when it becomes virtual, it goes into a reverse time universe, then it falls into the anti-matter universe. Anti-matter universe is NOT reverse time. There is a reverse time universe and there's an anti-matter universe. So that is disinformation right there. And what he describes is partially correct, but not fully correct.

TC: So where else would you look for more information?

AB: Where else? I'd say look into some of Von Neuman's works. He has a list of 15 books and some of them are not at all relative to this. He does have some of the information and some of the works which definitely tie back to the theoretical approach which was made.

TC: But there's no way we can get ahold of the time equations, is that correct?

AB: Most likely, no. It is highly classified.

DG: Regarding the boat experiment, was it because they generated too much energy that it took them beyond their anticipated results or was there an alien manipulation that actually generated the field in such a way that they went beyond their expected results?

AB: No, just the rotation of the field itself would not create the problem. It was the fact that they locked up with another experiment which brought them far beyond the 6th level which they were capable of generating on the Eldridge. They had to be capable of generating 6 levels in order to get 5, and 5 is what they had to have in order to rotate the time fields. Uh, you lose one in there, so to speak. You manipulate from the highest level what is below, that's why they had to go to 6 to get manipulation of the 5th. But that of itself would not have done what happened. You have to have additional orders and you have to have other factors which cause the lock up.

DG: One of the things that's really interesting about this video that we've seen is you and your brother's unique approach to understanding time, since you have experienced time in a very nonlinear fashion. When you've created a loop like the loop that was created between 1943 and 1983 with regards to locking up of the two different experiments, how does that loop ever break?

AB: It doesn't. It is there and it remains there but after a certain period of time it probably won't have any effect. When you get 20 years past 1983 it's not likely to have any problem at all anymore. You don't lose it, you don't remove it. It just doesn't have any effect anymore. It's already had its effect by the transit and when you come back.

DG: Does it disperse?

AB: No, it's just something that stays there and exists like a smoke trail in the sky. It's there and they slowly dissipate over a long period of time.

(Regarding the boat experiment) Nothing was told to us about travel, only what we were doing in terms of that experiment. We had no expectation of anything like that happening. It was neither planned and wanted, or expected. It just plain happened.

I don't regret that aspect. The only thing I have sometimes thought about and question whether I have regrets about it is whether or not we might have all been better off if instead of letting Duncan go back to 1983. I'd held him there on the ship so he couldn't jump overboard the second time, until the ship returned to normal space/time. He wouldn't have been back through that experience and dead. Things would have been different. Whether or not they would have been better is a wild speculation, and strictly speculation. But it definitely would have been different. I was not in a position to really anticipate what he was going to do. He gave no warning he was going to do it. The movie says otherwise, but of course the movie has a lot of speculation in it that he planned to go back because of his girlfriend. Well there was no girlfriend in the other end, in fact, it was a disaster for him.

TC: What is your understanding of anti-matter?

AB: Oh, that comes out of Von Neumann. Von Neumann was very much aware of it. And there is a lot of work done on it now. Today we deal in speculation in physics about antimatter. And, of course, there is discussion, both in the realm of science fiction and in physics about what you could do to create energy from a matter/anti-matter interface without creating an unbelievably powerful bomb which could be very, very disastrous. But there's a lot of speculation on that now as to the two universes, and if you got matter from one into the other what would happen? Can you control the reaction and how much energy could it create? That is speculative at the present time.

In addition to that, it's a little bit more than speculative because you have the aspects of the U.F.O. ships that have been turned over to our government out in Nevada. That has been discussed.

Bob Lazar has discussed the business of the element 115 and the fact that they use it to generate anti-matter and the anti-matter generator source and from that they amplify gravity waves and this is what they use for their drive system. Now there's no technology like this on earth. He says that there's no way we can replicate it. He said furthermore, there's no way we can come up with atomic element 115 in any quantities because it requires a totally different physical environment to produce it. Though he says our government has perhaps some 500 pounds of the stuff. And it is incredibly powerful.

He said he was hired because of what they called an "unscheduled nuclear event", in which a number of scientists were vaporized. They had to go out and hire replacements for them. And he got the word. He was at Los Alamos working as a physicists. He heard about this and went down and talked to EG and G and apparently he was accepted and then he was actually put on the Navy payroll, is what he says, then he went to Los Alamos and eventually wound up working on the UFO's and UFO problems and related things.

His comment was that they don't have enough really qualified people. They don't understand what's going on. They don't really understand what's going on with this, and he says it's also impossible to produce element 115 on Earth. This had to have been brought in. Yet they have this technology them. He says its definitely not built there. He says he can say that very flatly as a physicist. Ther's no way we can build this, not in this century. 50 years from now, who knows. Maybe 20 years from now.

(Regarding time tampering, its implications and free will:) ...Things could be manipulated in our future basis to alter the time line, as it were. Again to alter it on a major basis, it would be a minor thing for an individual. If it be a major basis it would affect the whole planet, depending on what effect it had.

Now free will still plays, then the (time) line shifts and the whole reality scenario changes, after it changes you still have free will but, I understand the basis of your question: is it sort of like a higher order reality coming down and hitting you over the head and after the stroke is over you go back to playing your little game of reality as you know it, or as I know it or anybody else knows it. It does raise some serious questions, yes. And how much free will do we really have? In other words, who else ... lets say, who else has more free will than us?

TC: Back to this time limit, they isolated the time field with the Eldridge, would you agree with Bearden that the time dimension is the connection with other dimensions, with the higher order dimensions?

AB: Yes, basically.

TC: How so?

AB: Time dimensions involve the 4th and 5th dimensions but your anti-matter universe is also locked in, but it's not locked in that way, it's locked in the 6th dimensional level and also the 11th. And you get throught his whole, strange arrangement, you get into, through higher order time manipulation, you get into areas of other universes. Now that's not completely answering your question in terms of what Bearden is saying. But, like I say, he's correct at least as far as I understand what he's saying, and I'm not sure I understand all of what he's saying because I haven't read it all.

Time is, in a larger sense, in reality, a dimension. But it is not something which we, in our level here, really understand, and we certainly don't see it. We only see the effects.

(Regarding Bearden) ... his real job now is still defense analysis and strategy analysis; the same thing he did in the military he's doing for private corporations. And he also appears to be still connected with Intelligence. He says he's retired but I have my own personal doubts about that because of certain things he says. But most of the research and he said this he has had to make dear at his public lectures, when he starts talking about the Russian work, the UFO's and the weather modification and all of what he said, this is my own research, it has not come out of government classified sources, it is not infringing on government classified information or privileged information. He said, this is my own research; it's totally separate. He's quite clear about this and I'm sure he's quite correct because he would be in an awful pile of trouble.

There's only one area where he stuck his nose out and he's gotten himself in trouble, and that was when he spoke out about AIDS, the causes and cures of AIDS. He has his book: AIDS: Biological Warfare; and it's a bombshell. And he got more than got his wrists slapped over that because he stated very flatly the causes and the potential cures, (accurately,) for the most part. He alluded to the electromagnetic cures but he also did not point out, though I haven't read the book in full, he accurately states there is no electromagnetic connection. There certainly is in so far as the triggering mechanisms are concerned.

The virus gets into the body. The body, if it's working at all, and you're not already 3/4 dead, the immune system automatically puts up a defense to the virus and isolates it. And then it sits there in the body for "umpteen" periods of time. It may run 6 months, it may run 10 years and nothing happens. Sometimes it never happens with a person. They've got the virus in them all this time. They'll get an HIV plus reaction on the test because of the antibody reaction with the chemicals they use in the testing. But that doesn't mean the person automatically is going to come down with the disease. Its not automatic.

There are other factors involved. The weakening of the immune system and triggering the mechanism of the reproduction of the virus. Anything that triggers it such as pulsed electromagnetic fields will start it going, that's why most of your AIDS cases are in the big cities, and very little in the rural are". You go well north of Denver there are no charted cases as such.

SS: Why is that, because there are just free floating electromagnetic waves?

AB: It's because of the concentrated electromagnetic pollution in our big cities. The major problem seems to be our TV stations. The fact that they use pulsed transmission, class D transmission for higher efficiency and to get a better picture out further and also to avoid some of the problem in reception. They also additionally use circular polarization. But the pulsed transmission as characteristics of a TV, they can do this on AM, they can not do it on FM. It's very, very complex and very difficult. But with the signal for TV, which is AM, or for the Voice of America AM broadcasting facilities which are all over Africa and various places around the world, which are now running megawatts of power, there are also class D pulse modulation. And this stuff generates enormous harmonies and is very disruptive to the body's physiology. This may be the key to what's going on with the AIDS, the rise of the cases in the cities.

But he (Beardon) got into this and he got into the fact that the government knows the cause and they probably know the cure and boy, they came down on him. It's part of the government policy, they don't want a cure for AIDS - it's part of the population control program. The Navy did a private estimate a couple of years ago on a classified study how many people were likely to come down with AIDS by the year 2000, as an example. Their computer studies said by the year 2000 there will not be man or beast, vertabrea beast, on the face of the earth that doesn't have the virus in him. And they don't know how many will succumb or how long it will be if there will even be a human race left.

That was the Navy's study. It was highly classified. A friend leaked it and the Navy couldn't quite kick him out bemuse of that. He was violating security but they didn't want to do it on that basis because you see if they fire him for violating security he has the right to know why and he can make it public. And that was not something they wanted public. So they didn't fire him over that. They found another means and they got rid of him, killed his clearance and dumped him. But he went public on that thing and that was the Navy's study and Beardon is saying the same thing. It's going to start increasing at a geometric progression rate, and he says it will be getting in the next 5 years way out of hand. It's already way out of hand in Africa.

TC: These class D pulse modulations, do you have to have a TV to process it in order for it to be harmful?

AB: No, it has nothing to do with the receiver. It's the transmitting signal itself. If you're sitting close to a transmitter or within reasonable distance; you would have to establish a criteria of field strength, and I don't know what that threshold is on this, but if you're radiated by the signals from the transmitter, if you're reasonably close to the actual physical tower, the transmitter, you're getting radiated, it's going to affect you physiologically.

Now there's a very good example of this. Measurements were made of this in Portland, Oregon. Oregon is perhaps unique in this in that they have all of their FM, AM, and TV transmitters upon Mt. Olympia, and it's an ungodly collection of transmitters in one location. Right next to this transmitter site are all kinds of residences, people living there.

The rate of leukemia is very high in Portland in that area; and one private doctor did a private study on this to try and correlate what is doing this, what's going on, looked back in the case histories, the family histories, etc.. He found out that people that lived in the vicinity of those transmitters came down with this particularly nasty form of leukemia and he finally determined that if they lived there long enough the rate of succumbing to leukemia was 100%. There were no exceptions. If they moved away from that area they would recover as long as they didn't have it fatally already.

The physiological symptoms in the sites of the transmitter within a mile or so were severe, very severe. The people knew it, in some cases and they just got the sense and said, "I don't like it here, let's go somewhere else," and they go someplace else and they get over it.

I was up in that site once with a friend Bill who was working as a chief engineer down at the local AM, FM and TV stations in Portland and he'd have to go up and do maintenance occasionally in that tower in the transmitter section. He says he hated to go up there. He says you're up there half an hour and your brain just scrambles, you can't think straight anymore.

You walk in the door and they have this fluorescent tube over the door, it glows day and night He told me, he says, "That's not wired to anything." I say, "What do you mean it's not wired to anything?" He says, "There's no connections. You can hold that thing in your hands and it will light up like a Christmas tree. That's how much RF is coming out of this building. We're subjected to that as long as we're in here., They have problems occasionally where the equipment just fries itself, particularly some of the solid state components which are highly susceptible to this sort of thing. He said, "You don't want to stay up here very long. I don't want to. I have to come up here to do maintenance. When go home I have quite a time getting over it. It takes overnight." It just scrambles the normal function of his brain. He can't think anymore as to what he's doing, what he's up there for, what tools to pick up, what he's actually working on. The continuity of thought is lost.

TC: This class D pulse modulation, is it scalar?

AB: No. It produces RF sidebands and harmonic sidebands which are damaging and it may produce some scalar components. I don't think anybody's done a good study on that. But it's not doing this deliberately if it is. See, all tube-type transmitters, and all of these are great big transmitter tubes, all produce some of the higher order energies, and some solar-type transmission without it being intended. This is one of the reasons why, any ordinary AM transmitter produces some of those higher order energies, and if you want overseas reception you have to use tube-type receivers particularly the types designed by T. Henry Morey and Tesla in the 1930's, to get a consistent reception from overseas. The solid state receivers are worth the powder to blow them for the most part, not the commercial ones. They do not work that well. They lose part of the components. They lose all the higher order energies which you need to reinsert in the processing in the signal in order to prevent the very severe fading effects which normally occur.

TC: Can they put the subliminal messages on CD's and cassette tapes ?

AB: Not readily on magnetic tape bemuse you have a very limited frequency range in which they work. They could probably do it on laser discs. They couldn't do it on a CD audio disc because your frequency range is too limited them

SS: Are there any things you can use to protect yourself from ELFs and these waves?



AB: Yes there, are devices available and I have one that might be one of them. I have not examined it, it's the first time I saw it. We'll have it measure it to see what it's putting out, take it apart and look at it. But there are devices that have been available and are still available that do help. There's more than one approach. The 7.83 hertz human resonance thing is one of the most reliable. It's only about 35% effective. It does not help everybody, but it is helpful. The Soverein Scribe
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Source

An Interview with Al Bielek - Co-Author of "The Philadelphia Experiment"

Interviewed by Leading Edge reporter Kenneth Burke at the Global Sciences Congress
Daytona Beach, Florida, August 1997

http://educate-yourself.org/abglobalscienceinteviewaug97.html

LE: Whatever you'd like to share, just share, and we'll use this as the basis of a story.

BIELEK: Well, as you say, you have already published some information on the "Philadelphia Experiment," and there's been a lot of publication done in the last five years. I've been all over the country. I've been in Europe, and I'm scheduled to go to Australia in October for a major lecture there for the Australian MUFON organization in Queensland. The word's getting around.

It's an interesting thing that the first time I went public with the story in the lectures was in Phoenix, Arizona, 1989. I had only become aware of my involvement in 1988. It was all blanked out in the meantime. There was a very thorough job of brainwashing, believe me, but it finally broke through. It broke through in January 1988, when I watched HBO late one Saturday night. I had never seen the movie, "The Philadelphia Experiment." Of course, it had gone through the regular movie circuits before that, and I'd seen the dockets in the local movie in the town I was in at that time, Sedona, Arizona. The docket was "The Philadelphia Experiment." I was only there a week and, for some reason, I didn't go. I didn't see it again. Then, it went into the video format, and EMI Thorne took it over and got the rights to put it on video from the producers, and they started showing it. So, that night on HBO at 4 a.m., they announced that the next feature of the evening would be "The Philadelphia Experiment." Well, I was about to go to bed, but I said, no, because I wanted to watch it. I'd heard so much about it.

The first 15 minutes were almost "dead on" what happened. There were six script writers, because I talked with the producer later. Where they came up with the information, I don't know. He didn't know either. He didn't even know for sure whether the thing ever happened, but he thought it was a great idea and they produced the movie. They were so close to 100% accuracy that it was amazing. That's what hit me. It re-stimulated memories, which were close to the surface anyway. The two major areas in the first 15 minutes were the number of peopLE: for the ones on board the Eldridge, they showed 150, which is the normal complement of personnel for the ship but, for the test, they only had 25. It was a skeleton crew, because they weren't going anywhere except downriver.

They never went out to sea for the test, except for the sea trials for the ship before they held the test. For that sea trial, they had a full crew. In any case, that was one error. The other was that they said it occurred in October 1943. It did not. It was in August. There were three tests with the Eldridge: a 22 July test, which was totally successful except for the side effects on the personnel; a 12 August test, which was a total disaster; and, after they recovered from that and had replaced the burned-out, wrecked equipment, they decided on one more test, which happened in late October with the ship on-station and to take all personnel off, like they did in 1940 during the first successful test in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. No personnel were on-board the ship. It was a very small one, but that test proved that they had the right scientific basis and the right equipment, which worked. The late October test was also a disaster, even though there were no personnel on board, so they just scrubbed the whole thing and buried it.

The Eldridge, of course, was rebuilt, as it had to be to finish the war. That was for the parts which were left out for the test and to remove the heavy equipment. It went to sea in World War service, then, in 1946, it went into mothballs. In 1951, the Eldridge and one other ship were turned over to the Greeks as part of the lend-lease program, or whatever you want to call it, after the war, which Truman initiated. They renamed it the Leon, and it remained a training ship for the Greek Navy for many years. About two years ago, the US Navy approached the Greeks and said, well, we own the Eldridge and we want it back. They didn't ask for it, they demanded it. They wanted it back, period.

Believe it or not, there are photographs from the Greek "Playboy" magazine, and I have them, showing the ship as it was sitting in the harbor at a dock, rusting away. The decks were full of rust. The hull was in such bad shape, they couldn't take it across the Atlantic on its own power. They had to clean it up enough to tow it across the Atlantic. It is now sitting in the Norfolk, Virginia, shipyard being rebuilt. It took a little digging to find it, but I did. The people, who looked into this, who are also quite high-level former naval personnel, tried to find out and ask the Navy why they wanted to rebuilt it. They couldn't get an answer, and they were absolutely refused information. If you're not in the Navy, you don't have a need to know. I'm trying to arrange to get there to take photos of it, but I don't know the correct channels to contact. Although the Norfolk, Virginia, shipyard is semi-open to the public, I don't know if I can get into the area where the ship is being rebuilt, but I'm willing to try.

The ship test failed. There was too much power involved. The approach was faulty. It worked in terms of the hardware, but it failed in terms of the human element. So, in 1947, Dr. von Neumann, who was the second director from March 1942 onward, was asked by the Navy if he would reopen the experiment and the files to see if he could find out what went wrong and whether it could be salvaged or whether any part of it could be alvaged. So, he did. It took him five to six years.

He was in the process of developing the modern electronic computer with stored memory, which he did finish before the British, though the British won't admit it. In fact, he and one of the other well-known scientists, delivered the first working model of the computer to England after they delivered a model to the Navy. At the same time, he was working on finding out the nature of the problem with the "Philadelphia Experiment." It was a very long and strange sequence of events. Of course, everybody's heard about the "Roswell Incident" in July 1947. He was one of the members of the scientific teams under Dr. Van Everbush, who went to Roswell.

LE: I don't think most people know that.

BIELEK: No, most people don't. That was 7 July 1947. He was there at the crash site. There was one live survivor. Two ships crashed, colliding into each other, and they both came down. One was totally demolished. The other was nearly intact. There was one survivor from one of the ships. I don't know which one. One crash was near Roswell and the other was about 60 miles away. The original one was on the Braswell ranch, and I think that's where they found the survivor. To my knowledge from what I've been told, Dr. von Neumann did get to talk with the survivor, who discussed some of his problems, including the "Philadelphia Experiment." Now, I have other input from people who talked with aliens about the "Philadelphia Experiment," time, and so forth. The common statement was, "You people are absolutely stupid and ignorant about time. You don't understand what it is!" This came from somebody, who's an abductee on a regular basis. The comments were interesting. So, from my understanding, Dr. von Neumann talked with an alien, got some clues how to redesign the system entirely.

I do not know what he did because I was not part of it. I was removed from the Navy on 4 July 1947, removed from Los Alamos, sent to Washington, DC, for a court martial on the changes for which I was arrested, which were espionage. These were dropped when I got to Washington. It was just a means to get me out of the area and separate me from my family, which I've never seen since. My wife is dead. My son is still alive, but I've not been able to see him, and my attempts have been blocked every time. I went to Washington, where I was given a new assignment at Montauk. I didn't know it was Montauk - they called it Fort Hero, but it was the same location for the later Montauk project. From that point, after I was on base and out of the public eye so-to-speak or away from any of the other personnel, other than the armed guards who surrounded me, I was time-transferred to 1983, where they did the full erasure of my full memory of my career and everything as Zeb Cameron. All my credentials were removed and erased. Dr. von Neumann knew it was happening. He didn't like it, but he couldn't do anything about it.

They also pulled the age regression number on me, which was to reduce my body size to that of an infant. Now, they can take a person back to a fetus. This is a common and usual technique, now, and I know people who have gone through it, including my second son. (I have four sons by the way.) My number two son, I found and I've met and know him. It's another long story.

LE: He was regressed that way, too, and given a name change?

BIELEK: He was also regressed back to a fetus; yes, the whole nine yards. I was reduced only to approximately a one-year-old boy. Why they stopped at this point, I don't know. I think part of the process they intended to put me through was subverted or failed. I know Dr. von Neumann interfered with it at one point. So, I was sent back to 1927 as approximately a one-year-old boy, because, my legal parents, whom I knew as my only parents for many years (Albertina Bielek, maiden name Kurchess, and my father Arthur E. Bielek) were the only parents I knew. I was totally wiped as memory, and I grew up as a kid, literally from a baby but, at the age of one by the birth certificate, which said March 31, 1927, by Christmas I would have been nine months old.

My first memory in that family was as a kid sitting at mother's grand piano next to a Christmas tree so high. I was sitting next to it, and they had the family around exchanging presents. It was a family get-together in Jamaica, New York. I finally was able to pull the memories back and remembered the fact that I understood everything they were saying. Now, since when does a less than one-year-old child understand what adults are saying? A few things blanked out. Certain things were said and didn't register or blanked out. The people who were there, of course, I knew later. I grew up with them. I knew exactly who they were - various aunts, uncles, cousins, brother of my legal mother, and so forth. Well, I grew up knowing nothing of my past. I was Al Bielek. I was very heavily repressed in many respects.

Eventually, World War II came. I went into the Navy - I was drafted into the Navy, which was very unusual - but I had a letter of directed assignment for electronics. I passed the Eddy test, and I was the only one in the entire school who passed the test. So, I went into the Navy, came out, went into my own business, and eventually left that and went to school. I moved to California, finished school, and became an electronic engineer from 1958 through 1988. I retired in 1988 but, during that period, I developed a very passionate interest in the "Philadelphia Experiment." I had no reason to know why at that point. In 1952, I met Ivan T. Sanderson, who did his own investigation into the "Philadelphia Experiment" in 1952 and 1953. Then, I moved west and recontacted him 10 years later in 1963, when I was working in State College, Pennsylvania.

LE: During this time, before you had awareness unfolding about your interaction with the government, didn't they have you doing anything?

BIELEK: Not until sometime around 1956. I was in Hawaii working for the Navy department in 1956 as a civilian employee through Hoffman Electronics of Los Angeles and was assigned to Pearl Harbor. Iwas there a little over a year. During that period, I had a great deal of interest in many things, including psychic sensitivity. One night, I blanked out while sitting on the doorstep of the Hawaiian Hotel on the ocean front. I blanked out for a period of an hour or an hour and a half (I don't know how long). I knew something very unusual happened, but it took until about 1986 to find out what happened in 1956. I was pulled to the "Montauk Project" by the then (and at that point, I think the only) station master for the "Montauk Project" on Long Island, because there were others which were also operating in the same mode. The original one was on Long Island. The station master then was Jack Pruitt. I've since met his son, Glen Pruitt, and we finally verified that was the man, because Glen has a picture of his father. Preston and I both looked at the picture and said, yep, that's him, Jack Pruitt. Glen Pruitt didn't now whether his father had or had not been involved in the "Montauk Project," because his father denied it.

LE: So, with some kind of electronics, they pulled you up ...

BIELEK: All the way up to 1976 to interview me to become a person to work on the "Montauk Project." They finally got my interest when they knew I was interested in UFOs. They said, well, do you have an interest in them? I said, yeah. They said, how would you like to see one. Of course, I was interested, and they said, well, come with me. So, we went into one of the cavern sections under Long Island, which are part of the Montauk peration, and they showed me a UFO which was literally trapped in this underground cave. It was about 60 feet in diameter and gold in color. At this point, I was introduced to the crew, whom they had captured intact. This thing actually tied back to the "Philadelphia Experiment" of 12 August 1943. It was caught in the time-field shift. For reasons we don't know, they wound up disabled in the underground of Montauk. They said, how would you like to work on this thing. Well, they had me. So, I volunteered to work on the "Montauk Project." Most of the people, who worked on the "Montauk Project" they got to volunteer one way or another. These were not the "Montauk boys," that's a different story.

LE: By fascinating them and getting them started.

BIELEK: Yeah, getting them fascinated. Dangling a carrot in front of one's nose in the area of one's expertise or principal interests. So, they got me there, and I was there for a long time. I remember it as about seven years, but they were able to manipulate time so well that, when that phase was done, they sent me back to Hawaii to the same night, after spending what I can estimate today as approximately seven years' work, back to within an hour or so of when I was pulled out.

LE: They were able to compress time that way.

BIELEK: They can manipulate time like you wouldn't believe. Of course, I spent other time at Montauk, and I've been on other government projects. There were many, and not all of them have come back to memory. About six have come back. That was the Montauk thing, which was later. At the time I was at Cameron in 1947, when they pulled me there to 1983 and gave me the identity of Al Bielek, I didn't know who I was until the memory came back that night while watching the movie. Of course, I've done much intensive research since to find the rest of the story and get my memory reestablished, because it was spotty.

LE: Let me ask you this. What was the time span when you worked those seven years?

BIELEK: That was 1976 to about 1982.

LE: So, when you were put back at the steps of the hotel, and you moved forward in normal linear time, what happened ... say, you had two bodies working at two different places?

BIELEK: No, it was the same body - the same me. They pulled me physically out of the location where I was then sent me back.

LE: Yes, I understand. When that part of you that came back through normal linear time, wasn't there another part of you ...

BIELEK: Well, it's hard to explain and to get people to understand this ...

LE: In other words, you were working in Montauk from 1976 forward, and a part of you on the doorstep came through linear time and was doing something else, right?

BIELEK: That's right. I was an electronics engineer for many years, and I was running, not a dual personality, but a dual existence.

LE: Well, was it like two time-lines going on?

BIELEK: Yes. That would be the best way to explain it. What would happen - of course, they did this with Preston, they did it with me, and they've done it with many other people. You might be a civilian working as an engineer, as I was and as Preston Nichols was working for 15 years for a major corporation on Long Island. Preston was also doubling as an engineer at the "Montauk Project." He couldn't ever figure out how he was doing both at the same time. He finally did figure it out when I prodded him, after my memories of the "Montauk roject" came back after my second visit to Montauk.

My first visit was in August 1985 right after a USPA Psychotronics Conference in Dayton, Ohio, where I met Preston, whom I didn't know then was my brother but suspected that we had a connection and I knew I knew him from somewhere but it took quite a while for that to filter through. I was invited to see Preston and went there in August 1985, when he took Duncan and I to Montauk. He'd made many visits as a surplus dealer in electronics but, at that point, he still did not know that he had been involved himself. Duncan and I didn't know either. He said to us, I want to take you guys there. You're both sensitives, and I want to take you to a place I know. I'm not going to tell you exactly where I'm taking you, but we're going east on Long Island. I want you to see what you sense and pick up. I know you guys have never been there before. (Ho, ho, ho. That was the joke of the century, but we didn't know it.)

Well, we sensed what had been at Montauk. We sensed there had been a monster roaming the base - that a hugh project had been operational here that had been abandoned. The evidence was everywhere physically. Buildings were everywhere with doors standing open, wrecked equipment inside, and the gates were broken. It was an abandoned base. This was because Montauk crashed 12 September 1983. It's a long story how or why, but it was after the involvement with the "Philadelphia Experiment," which occurred 12 August 1943 for the Eldridge and 12 August 1983 at Montauk. They were deliberately designed to lock up. It took a long time to understand this and gather the data about what was involved. This was part of the alien operation, because there were aliens at Montauk by design and by agreement with the government. They said, we'll help you build it. You've got the technology, but you have to understand what to do. We'll show you how to build it. So, the government asked what was the price, and the aliens said they wanted their own agenda on the station periodically. So, the government agreed to it. Even though it was run by private scientists, the government and the intelligence community, in particular, had oversight. There were no regular reports to the House or Senate, because not one cent of government money went into the operation. It was all private money. (Not now, but in the first phase up to 1983.)

So, there was not traceability. It was a privately run operation with government oversight through various military and intelligence organizations, and, to some extent, they set the goals and the agenda in the sense that the aliens would come in. They told Dr. Herman Sieunterman, the administrative director of the project until 1983, that he would have to learn to work with aliens. He was a hard-headed German, who, in his life, probably had never seen an alien or even thought about what an alien might be. So, he was told by the government that he would have to work with them. Well, of course, all of us who were there did work with them. We all knew them, saw them, and worked with them every day. They had a draconian, who was in charge of and was the chief director of all the alien interests. He had his own office. We called him Charley. He was a seven-foot tall draconian, weighing 450 pounds. He was extremely intelligent. The first time he was there, he looked down at humans as a near sub-human species, which was almost dirt beneath his feet because, really, they were intelligent far beyond human standards.

LE: Would you say, human standards, like maybe 2000 IQ or 5000 IQ or?

BIELEK: I wouldn't even know how to estimate. However, being that the IQ standard is logarithmic, there are rare humans with IQs from 300 to 350. He would probably be somewhere around 1000+ to 2000. They are highly educated and live a long time. There were other species there with whom we worked, who were helping us design the computer systems. They had very advanced computers, and we were working with an IBM 360 and 370 which, at that time, were the most advanced we had. Later, the Cray I came onto the scene. Of course, if we had had the Cray III, which we did not have in that era, there would have been many fewer problems than we had to circumvent by using the IBM 360 and 370.

LE: Now, I realize this is very complicated but, what are some examples of the alien agenda or can you talk about that?

BIELEK: Right now, we don't really know what they wanted to do, and I was not privy to everything that went on in the station. I was what was typically called middle management. I was below the station master in rank or pecking order, if you will. I was involved in a number of different projects, where I had certain degrees of expertise and what I was assigned to do. Of course, I had to know everything involved. I did not know about all the projects that were ongoing, and did not know all the things that aliens were doing, except they were interfacing with humans. There was some genetic experimentation involved at Montauk. They helped design the equipment so that they could run their own agenda. The only part of their agenda, which I know for sure, was that, on 1 August 1983, the orders came through, and they were there to see that the station was turned on and run continuously, 24 hours a day, until 12 August. That was very abnormal, because it would only run six to eight hours a day every three or four days for whatever experiments or work involved - whether it was being run by the aliens or by the humans. The aliens were always in the background with computer work and computer expertise.

LE: So, they just didn't talk about what they were doing, because they had no reason.

BIELEK: Right, they didn't. The only one who ever gave me information was Charley, and that was because we got friendly. I asked him about his background, education, and so forth, and his life span. He said, they could live up to 10,000 years. I asked his education, and he said, well, you're familiar with PhD and the doctorate level, like a doctor of science. We have 16 disciplines in which we can achieve the equivalent of your doctor of science degree. He said that, when they are born, grow up and first start their education, they go through the first 160 years of their lives in education. He said he has the equivalent of 12 of our PhDs. I asked him how many he has, and he said 16 maximum. I said, well, you've got four more to go, and he said, yes. I asked him what he would do when he finished them, and he said he didn't know.

LE: So, this window they opened, it sounds like that had something to do with the "Philadelphia Experiment," like there was some kind of link.

BIELEK: Yes, the "Montauk Project" had many things to do. They did many things in terms of time and space research. In the earliest phases, they proved they could materialize a thought from a person's mind into a physical reality. This, of course, involves religious concepts and ideas, which some of the Tibetan adepts probably can do with mind power, because they've disciplined themselves and learned how to do it. It is possible but is a very rare ability. It can be done with machinery. If you know what you're doing, it can be done every time. Eventually, they were able to do this at Montauk in the earliest phases of their operation.

Then, they went on to the time tunnels, which meant they could shift time forward or past, go to a location other than where they were, either in the current time or shift time simultaneously. Eventually, they could go anywhere on Earth, and they went to the Moon, Mars, the whole galaxy. They could go anywhere they wanted. There was a special program involving some research in 1983, when the station went down, it was resumed when the station was rebuilt in 1987. Then, it was called "Project Hellfire." I was in charge of that phase of it, which involved retrieving an object from a planet on the other side of the galaxy - 120,000 light years away. It was highly pecialized, and it is still highly classified.

All I will say is that two objects were recovered. They are alien, and we don't know who built them. I don't even know how they got the information that they were even there or where to go to find them. However, they were found and brought back for research here. Two teams were involved: the first was a Navy team and the second was a Marine team. I know most of the people involved with both of them. I was in charge, and, with the second, they had a lot of problems. I won't go into the details because it involves people whom I don't wish to expose to public scrutiny. Most of them are trying to keep a low profile today. The memories of it only came back to some of them because of the deprogramming of their programming by Preston Nichols. I was there when it happened and asked some pointed questions, so, I got some very direct answers from their own memories of what happened. "Project Hellfire" was only one of the little side projects.

They went into the Mars underground after reports from the colonies there that there were sealed entrances to some kind of underground facility, which they had no way to enter. They took bulldozers, caterpillars, etc., because they didn't have them on Mars to do that sort of thing. So, Montauk was asked to take a look at it. They could go right through anything. They would send a camera, in case it wound up in solid rock, only a camera would be lost - not a person or a whole team. They got pictures of an underground cavern system of some kind, so they sent a team there. There were many trips. Duncan and I went, and we went on our own a couple times and got our wrists and were barred from ever going again.

LE: They didn't want you going on your own?

BIELEK: No, they didn't want us going on our own. They didn't know what we would find or do there. In any case, that was one of the things done at Montauk. There were many other things about which I have no idea. Of course, that became part of the link with the "Philadelphia Experiment" on 12 August 1983 by deliberate design of the aliens. In retrospect, we can look at the reason for it. Then, we didn't understand why the station had all the problems. I was not there when it crashed. I was told to take a vacation three days previously.

LE: Okay. So, you didn't see the monster, then.

BIELEK: No, I didn't see the monster then. We've seen it since and have photographs of it today. I was not there when it crashed. Duncan was part of the business of making it crash, but he had an ongoing hatred of this station from about three weeks prior to its demise. Preston and a number of other people were involved. There were certain engineers who wouldn't go along with it. Dr. von Neumann was totally exasperated, when he found out that the orders were given and orders were in process of destroying the station with "Junior," and so forth. This thing was designed by aliens to lock up. It had to be 12 August 1943 and 1983. As we subsequently found out by research in the late 80s that (the aliens knew it all along, and I suspect there were other secret societies which knew this), Earth has its own biorhythms like the human body. The human body has three biorhythms which cycle and peak occasionally. The Earth has four biorhythms, and they peak and become literally a synchronization point once every 20 years, and it's always on 12 August, plus or minus a half day.

LE: That's my birthday, isn't that weird?

BIELEK: That is interesting. In fact, I have another friend, whose birthday's 12 August. My real birthday is 4 August. In any case, on that date, these energies peak and become a synchronization point. The aliens knew it, and we didn't. We had no idea why they wanted Montauk left on during that time until it locked up with the "Philadelphia Experiment" and we wound up at Montauk when we jumped off the ship. The ship was pulled out of the harbor into hyperspace because of Montauk. On the 22 July test, nothing like this happened. Montauk was operational, but I don't' know whether it was on that day. Even if it had been on, it would not lock up, because it required this peculiar synchronization with Earth's fields to produce a lock through the space-time continuum, if you will. The aliens did this in order to rip a hole in space and time, so they could get large numbers of aliens through.

Aliens have been on this planet for a long time, but in small numbers. After the "Philadelphia Experiment" 12 August 1943, they started to arrive in larger numbers. They could come in with big ships, park in orbit, come to Earth, and they literally started invading Earth en masse. They build a huge underwater base in the Bikini atoll in the Pacific. Our intelligence found out about this. The Japanese were having problems with the aliens, after we dropped the two bombs and before they surrendered. (There were more than two bombs, by the way.) In any case, our intelligence found out about the huge underwater base in the Bikini atoll. How they found out, I don't know, but there were an estimated half-million UFOs in that base in the lagoon underwater. These would not be detectable by any techniques we had at that time. They decided to hold the "Operation Crossroads" tests in the Bikini atoll. They pulled the natives off the island, built their facilities and, of course, made the two tests of one on the surface and one underwater with the bombs.

There are actually pictures, which I have. I inherited them by peculiar circumstance. They show UFOs trying to escape at the point of the neutron flash before the huge mushroom. In the mushroom, of course, there are ships shown vertical, being blown apart, and UFOs attempting to escape. Only a few made it. There is really no answer to this question, but how come they didn't know this was coming and how come they didn't try to escape. The only deductive conclusion I can come to is that they didn't believe our bomb was strong enough to penetrate the lagoon floor and collapse their sanctuary. Since we set off four atomic bombs in that lagoon (I got this from Phil Schneider before he died because his father was there for the test), they made sure that facility was destroyed.

LE: That facility was destroyed?

BIELEK: Oh, yes, it was destroyed. This set the invasion and takeover way back, and they've never been able to recover, though they're still working at it.

This was one of the things that occurred and one of the aspects that are buried about which the public doesn't know. Those pictures released to the press and the public, show the mushroom and the ships being blown half out of the lagoon were air-brushed to remove the evidence of UFOs trying to escape. The pictures were taken from 10 miles away and are damn good. They had excellent optics and very good cameras.

LE: I don't know whether you want to share them or not but, if you'd choose to share a copy of them, we'd like to add them to your story.

BIELEK: I might be able to. I'd have to get them out of storage. Phil went around lecturing about this while he was still alive. They don't show up too well in the video shots, but he did show the photos in his lecture series about the Bikini atoll test and what happened. His father was there. His father was involved in the "Philadelphia Experiment." His father was the chief medical officer. How he wound up in the Navy is a very strange story, because he was a German U-boat captain, who was captured by the French in 1940. He was turned over to the Third Army. Some negotiations were involved, obviously, and I'm quite certain that my real father was the one who did the negotiating - that is Alexander Duncan Cameron, Sr., was involved directly in those negotiations, I'm sure, because he smuggled nine German scientists out of Germany between the period of 1933 and 1942. Cameron was in charge of the transference of the German scientists to the United States after the war under "Operation Paperclip." He was directly involved with that.

LE: There were hundreds who came out of Germany, right?

BIELEK: Yes. He was involved with the selection, and I only found this out quite recently. In any case, he had a long and strange history after he mustered out of the Navy with a heart murmur in 1929. He was given a pension. He was involved, and I did get confirmation from somebody, who was in a position to know, because he knew my father. He knew my father was in intelligence - what rank I don't know - whether he was officially in the Navy or not, I don't know. There is no record; all the records have been wiped.

LE: Something I've never understood is that, since the government had access to time travel and all the information there, why did Montauk get closed down. It seems like it could have been foreseen and stopped.

BIELEK: The reason it was shut down in 1983 was because Duncan and others wanted it to be shut down. They had to wait until after I, as Edward Cameron, and Duncan (the original Duncan) came to Montauk, spent our 12 hours there and, then, were shipped back to the Eldridge. They had to wait until that sequence was over, or they would interrupt a part of the time history in this sequence and alter history drastically. So, they allowed that to happen. It was after we had returned to the Eldridge when Duncan #2 was given the cue by Preston, sitting in the chair in a semi-transit time. Of course, he conjured up from his subconscious this monster, which went into the machine, became clothed in physical reality by the station equipment, and which started tearing things up.

It tried to get into the radar tower, but it couldn't because the tower was so strong. Jack Pruitt told everybody to get out except Preston. He said, we've got to stop this thing. They tried to shut off the power switches and, like on the Eldridge, they were frozen. So, they got axes and torches and cut the power-feed cables. Nothing happened. So, they figured there must be a second set of power-feed cables. They cut those, and the lights went out, but the station kept running. Having this very complex computer with its own memories and all the algorithms of advanced science and technology buried in it, did what Einstein said would happen years before. He said, if you build a machine of sufficient complexity and enough power, if given time, it will become intelligent of itself.

This machine, called the "Montauk Operation," did. It found its own way to feed itself enough power to keep going. At this point, Jack Pruitt said to Preston, you're going in there with an acetylene torch and cut up the cables and the feeds between the computers and the drivers and everything else to shut this thing down. Preston said, no, I'm not. Of course, Jack Pruitt pointed a 45 at the back of is head and said, yes, you will. This is Preston's story and I don't know who was there, but Preston says he was the one who was ordered to go cut the cable feeds. When enough sections of the brain were cut, it quit and the monster disappeared within a matter of an hour or less and moved to the location it's seen today. If you get in the right position with ordinary 35-mm cameras with ordinary film, you can film "Junior," as we called him. He's still there, but the station was off.

Now, the station went back on-line in 1987, but it didn't go into full power-mode operation until 1993. With its resumption with very high power from 1993 onward, "Junior" has been seen to move around. He's actually been seen swimming in the surf east of the lighthouse at Montauk Point, although I cannot verify these reports. He has been seen on and off the base walking around by people with their naked eyes - without cameras or anything else - when the station's operating. The station has been down for a while again. When it's down, it disappears. here, I don't know, because people can't see it without the energy.

LE: What's your guess as to what they're doing now with the station going again? The same kind of time-space travel?

BIELEK: No, that has been moved elsewhere. I think they have the capability to do it there. They do have the capability for a completely new order of time manipulation. They're not using the time-tunnel situation now, to my knowledge. Preston is working there at present, and he's finally at the point where so many trips have been made back and forth, he's remembering much of what he did and is talking privately about it.

LE: He's working at the project again?

BIELEK: Yes, directly. He says from 1991 onward, but he didn't remember this until quite recently. He knows that, recently in the last year, he's been heavily involved. Now, they're doing a totally different thing that has been the avant garde research project of which there are now 36 similar ones, including Montauk Point. These are particle beam weapons of such enormous power, like Tesla proposed, but far more powerful than Tesla would have ever believed possible. This beam is so powerful that, for those who have technical minds, it puts out 1 x 10 to the 25th power joules. That's more power than a hydrogen bomb can generate.

LE: Is its purpose to protect us from the aliens?

BIELEK: Yes. Exactly. The cover story is "Star Wars Initiative" to prevent missiles from being fired from Russia as was feared at one time. Now, we don't expect that would ever happen. The story was that, if they were fired, we could destroy them incoming. This was the story given to the public and to the Congress in order to appropriate money for the "Star Wars Initiative." It was never intended to be a defense against war between the US and Russia or whomever. It was designed for the sole purpose of keeping aliens out. Any one beam is so powerful that, literally, they can fire into space. Of course STS 48 shows this, and that strangely captured document (sent from space to the ground station and the guy that recorded it on his own, not at NASA facility but parallel), shows the system firing from the ground at a craft, which was moving at what Dr. Holtman said was approximately 100,000 mph. Then, it made a right-angle turn, was fired upon and accelerated to something like 400,000 mph. So, by the time the beam hit the point where the ship should have been, the ship wasn't there any more and didn't get hit. The beam is essentially instantaneous, but they have to focus and the ship got out of range. This showed something firing from the ground. This probably was one of the early tests of the particle-beam weapons system.

LE: I think I saw that on a video. Was that on a video?

BIELEK: Yes, it was on a video that was circulated very widely. The original that I have shows some of the vehicles we were putting into orbit and certain other things involving the shuttle at the time. They took the pictures from the shuttle. Now, whether this was part of the process in which the shuttle was deliberately involved or whether it was accidental, nobody can say for sure. There is proof that there is a system deliberately aimed at vehicles up there, and, further with this particular SDS mission, it showed UFOs. I mean, they are plainly visible in daylight, taken from the shuttle. Of course, this was never supposed to get to the outside, but the director of NASA was fired right after that because they accused him of letting it leak. Maybe he did let it leak deliberately.

LE: Now, let me ask you this. Preston is involved in this, have they approached you to do anything? Do you think they will?

BIELEK: No. I have adamantly refused to be involved. I have since said, if there were something of sufficient importance, I would definitely consider it but, to my knowledge, I've not been involved. I am still officially on the access list for Montauk. I found that out from Preston. His and my names are on the list, but Duncan's is not, because he's so adamant about not being any part of it. Of course, to be polite, his mind is not what it used to be. He has physical problems, so he's really not physically eligible.

LE: Do you have concerns about things going on with this technology right now?

BIELEK: Yes. They've used it to shoot down UFOs. When Phil Schneider was alive, he had a very high-level clearance. Because of his position with NATO, he traveled all over the world. He saw the huge junk piles of UFOs shot down by the Russian versions of the Montauk operation. He said they had football fields covered up to 50 feet thick with these things. He said they were shooting them down at the rate of about 30 a week at that time. He said we've shot them down at the rate of maybe five to seven a week in the US with our systems, when they're operational. He said, the Russians had set up a zone of neutrality, which was anything from 250 miles above the surface of the Earth down.

No alien ship will go across that artificial border without permission. If they do, the Russians don't care who they are, and they'll shoot them down. They shot down a number of friendly Pleiadian ships, and the Pleiadians were hopping mad, but they got the message. Stay out unless your invited. If you're invited, that's fine, but, if you're not invited, we don't care who you are. We'll shoot you down if you pass that 250 mile barrier. If it's a known hostile, they'll shoot them down much farther out.

LE: What is happening either on Mars or the Moon these days that you know about?

BIELEK: I can give you very little information about Mars. I know there are colonies there, but there's evidence that the colonies have been overrun and destroyed. The story is by an alien group - the reptilians. The reason we can say this is apparently what happened is because all the radio transmissions to Earth from the colonies, which were on a very regular basis, suddenly shut off about two years ago. The radio amateurs used to monitor them with their own equipment, because they could triangulate and know they were from Mars. Suddenly, all transmissions shut off, and they say there are no more. Something's happened up there.

Of course, the moon's being mined by US-Russian interests and obviously some alien interests. We're mining the back of the moon, bringing titanium back. The moon is an artificial object. It's not natural. It was built as a space vehicle by someone long ago and parked in orbit because they apparently had trouble with it. Whether you believe it or not, because there is no proof of this, the story goes that whoever was in the original moon parked it there, built themselves a smaller moon object and took off. There are stories in the Vedic literature that there were two moons around the Earth for a period of time. Prior to about 25,000 years or so ago, there was no moon in the Earth's orbit. It was brought in and parked. We've been up there, and the Russians are up there. We're mining the back side for titanium.

I can't say this is proof, because it's not public. Interesting information came to my attention about one and one-half to two years ago from somebody involved as a consultant to the government and certain civilian military sectors, and has good connections with the military. He drives all over the country to service cryogenic and related equipment found out the US has been melting down scrap titanium. He got a few facts and figures together and found that they are melting down a conglomerate of 12,000 tons of scrap titanium per month and the Russians are doing the same at about the same rate. Now, it doesn't take too much figuring to start asking where are they getting all this scrap titanium. In the heyday of producing titanium at Henderson, Nevada, it took half the power output of Boulder Dam and half the water from Boulder Dam to process raw ore and finish titanium bars, ingots, whatever. The maximum they could produce 24 hours a day, seven days a week, was 500 tons a year. Where did they get 12,000 tons of scrap? It was coming in from the moon.

I found this out and asked Phil Schneider about it, because he had so many connections. He said, yes, it was coming from the moon. He showed me a sample of the titanium. It was strange-looking stuff. When I asked, he said it was from the moon. I said, isn't this the same titanium we use here on Earth when we mine, process and produce our own. He said, now, it is a different isotope. It's not the same type of titanium, and the moon is largely titanium.

LE: Does it still work the same?

BIELEK: Yes. It still works very well as titanium.

LE: Something about which I'd like to ask you concerns our talk with somebody recently, who gave us all this documentation. He feels that it's imminent that the government is going to uncover this massive UFO coverup.

BIELEK: They're not going to do it on their own, because it's too embarrassing in many respects. The coverup has gone on for so long, since Roswell and particularly after the overflights of the White House in 1952, when the National Security Council got into it and had a split vote at that time of six to release the unvarnished information to the public and the other six to bury it. Of course, the chairman of the NSA at that time had to cast the deciding vote to break the tie. That chairman was Richard Nixon, who was the director of the NSA until he became president. He cast the vote to bury it, so, they set up "Project Blue Book" - one for the public and one for the military and, of course, have buried everything ever since. It has become embarrassing to them because they have captured so many ships and have so many aliens, who have been hostages or "guests" of the government as it is politely said.

Even though there are people who think that anyone believing this is having figments of their imaginations, there are tons of highly classified proof which is buried because they do not want the public to know. If the public becomes heir to anything that augments the theory or shows real proof, it's seized under national security rules. The people keep talking; some have been shut up and some killed, like Phil Schneider, for example, who knew the facts and had directly interviewed aliens himself in Area 51. He knew what was going on. He attended underground UN meetings - the real meetings are not held in New York at the UN Plaza. The policy-making meetings are held in the underground military bases (what he called the DUM [deep underground military) bases). They are all controlled and dictated to by the tall gray aliens. He personally attended two of these meetings and said, after the second one, he was working for the wrong people. That was why he quit his service as a geologist for the government.

LE: So, his observation was that the UN is controlled and run by aliens?

BIELEK: Yes. That is his flat statement. He never made it publically, but I will. He said it was run by aliens. He said that the aliens are in back of UN policy, and that they are in back of so many things that are happening on the Earth. He says that they are gradually taking over and are running, shall we say, "The New World Order."

LE: Now, which group of aliens is this?

BIELEK: The tall grays - the old ones.

LE: And they're from Sirius?

BIELEK: They're from Zeta Reticuli. In a way, they're related to, but they're not the same as the short grays, which are almost robotic. There are five or six different species of grays. The sixth one is the tall grays. Then, there are the six-foot type, then the five and one-half-foot type. These are all male and female, which do reproduce in a manner which we recognize and know as normal reproduction. You get down to the little three and one-half-foot grays, who are asexual and can't reproduce. They can't even digest food. These are the renegades. They are sort of the drones of the gray society, who do the work for them.

LE: Do we know how many of these are here?

BIELEK: At one time, there were millions. I have no idea how many are here now. They have split away from the government and do not even work for the US government any more. Some of the stories were, "The government lies too much." Well, I think we all know that, but even the grays finally tumbled to the fact that the promises made to them by the government were broken. Of course, the government says that the promises made to the government by the grays have been broken. They're probably both lying.

LE: So, all this information that you can read from various sources about the organization of "The New World Order" and the "black helicopters" and all these things is being orchestrated by the aliens?

BIELEK: Much of it is. There's also a cross of a very human group - the 12 families, including the "Illuminati," the "Bilderburgers," "CFR," "Trilateral Commission," "Club of Rome," the "Committee of 300." All of these are human groups, the inside elite, who want to set up a "New World Order" and a "One-World Government." They want to reduce the world population at the same time. Now, these guys are not stupid. One cannot deny they are very intelligent, but they see things in a different light than the average person. They don't believe in freedom, except their kind - a "you are part of us" kind. If you're not, we'll maneuver any way we want. You are essentially slave labor to the rest of the world in their eyes. They see that the world is overpopulated (and I don't think there's any question that it's ecologically overpopulated), and they want to reduce the world population by any means: biological warfare, nuclear warfare, whatever.

They've given up the nuclear warfare, because it would not be in their interest, since it would destroy them. By whatever means, they want to reduce the population to about one-half billion. They wanted to do it by the year 2000 but have had to change the goal to the year 2025, because of the near physical impossibility of doing this in three years - five years from the original inception of the plan, although the plan is older than 1995. They've extended the date, but they still want to reduce the world population and set up more of their view of a "garden paradise," and convert many of our cities and living areas back into the natural primeval forest that existed 500 years ago. They're literally ready to plow under cities in this country and plow under the highways. They don't want to destroy all but many of the cities, because they want to reduce the population. This is the plan which they're in the process of implementing. Of course, we've got the aliens involved.

LE: That's the variable.

BIELEK: Yes. That's the variable element. In their view, they are using the aliens. In the alien's view, they are being used by the aliens. So, who is on top. Who's really running the show? Nobody knows at this point. You could read Branton's work, either the 26-page synopsis or the entire book. He was a US government employee for most of his life, underground working with the alien situation. According to his statements, the US government is underground with troops, and he says there's a see-saw war going on under our feet that's been going on for years as to who's going to come out on top and run the show. There are two or more alien groups vying for control in the underground, and the US government's trying to keep things under control with our troops - surprise - and he has reported all this. So, it's really a free-for-all. At this point, nobody can say flatly who is on top or who's going to come out on top.

From my observations, I don't think "The New World Order" is going to make it. They will appear to make it up to the last moment and will achieve still more control than they have right now, which is almost full control now. They're going to get to the ID cards, the bank Smartcard containing your entire history, and they intend, by 1999 before the year 2000, everybody in the US and probably everybody in the world about whom they have any concern will have to have one of these cards to do any banking or anything. If they don't have it, they're an outlaw. This is the plan and what they're working on. The cards are starting to show up. The banking is being converted to a cashless society, now, at an accelerating rate. These are all "New World Order" plans. They intend to achieve complete dominance and control of the society by the year 2000. They know Earth changes are coming, too, and they're trying to circumvent them as much as possible and set this up before the Earth changes become highly destructive. They're not fools. They know this is going to happen. They have their prepared sites, where they hope to survive. I don't think they'll survive as well as they think. Their last resort that they have vehicles to leave the planet and go somewhere else.

LE: Do they know when these Earth changes are supposed to happen?

BIELEK: From time travel, they have a pretty good idea. Phil was a geologist. He was not able to time travel. He knew about it, but he didn't get to do it. He says that, as a geologist, we know the Earth changes are coming, where they're going to happen, and how heavily they're going to hit. For example, San Francisco will be hit with an earthquake of Richter 11 to 12. I said, that will wipe out the city, and he said, yes. He said the Navy is already moving all their facilities out of the San Francisco Bay area. They have not closed San Diego. He said San Diego will be wiped out. He said they're moving much of it to Bremerton, Washington, but they don't know whether that will be safe, and they don't know what to do with the Pacific Fleet - whether to let it sit at anchor and hope it rides it out or move it to sea and hope it rides it out there. He said that they know it's coming, but he said they know it's coming, but the problem is - we cannot predict when. Now, for the last 72 hours, yes. There are certain indicators that, within 72 hours, will say, this is it, but earlier than that, it's not predictable.

LE: Well, with your contacts, have you been able to find out when the government feels this will happen?

BIELEK: Not in terms of what the government thinks. I've seldom talked about this publically, but it's probably time. In terms of time travel and my access of future events, because in my and Duncan's jumping overboard from the Eldridge, we did not go straight to Montauk. We went to the year 2137 A.D. We arrived in bad shape. We wound up in hospitals for about a month. When we finally found out where we were, we both (particularly me) started asking lots of questions about where we were, what had happened, and so forth. They told us about various events and showed us some maps of the altered United States. We asked, what the hell's going on here? We looked at the maps from all over. What events had changed in government, in society? They were rebuilding from the damage of the period from 2000 to 2015 to 2016 era. Finally, everything had settled by the time of 2025. As they told us, when the Earth changes hit really severely, which was around the year 2000, at that point, the governments all over the world collapsed, and the military took over. The Earth changes were very severe, and there was a tremendous loss of life. By the year 2025, the planetary population was down to somewhere around 450 to 500 million. So, "The New World Order" accomplished their goal in the process of losing it.

LE: Losing the world.

BIELEK: Yeah. They do start to rebuild, and they do rebuild. I would say that, at that point, they were about half way to rebuilding what we have today. Of course, they would never rebuild as completely as today, because they would never achieve the population. They would keep it under control from that point and held it to about 500 to 800 million. There is no longer the pressure for vast industrialization. Science and technology were saved completely, and the military (particularly the Navy) were taking care of this. The Navy has a fleet (now, but I don't know how many) of the Phoenix class submarine, which is 960 feet long with double-titanium hulls. The Russians have the same sort of type. That's where the titanium is being used. These things are monstrous. The crews on board are 1400 - all officers and no enlisted. Of course, they have missile racks, but with the double-titanium hulls, they can dive and sit at a depth of approximately 7000 feet and survive. They are solid-state nuclear powered, which are more durable than the old type.

They don't have any waste-product or breakdown problems. The important part is that the Navy and those who realize what is coming have decided that they have to do something to salvage science and technology and the knowledge to rebuild in the future. In everyone of those Phoenix class subs, they have put a series of 18-inch laser disk players. With data compression, modern techniques and a 18-inch laser disk, they can store the history of civilization, all of the science and technology which we have today, on one disk. They probably have backup disks. Every one of those subs has such a system on board. I know people who were involved in the initial design. They initially started with 36-inch laser disks. I talked with a man, who was involved with the project. They decided that was too big, and have reduced it to an 18-inch, which they decided was quite large enough. He said that, with the newer techniques of data compression, they can create an enormous data compression and data storage on an 18-inch disk. The worst case analysis suggests that some of those subs will survive. They only need one to survive and have an intelligent crew survive to start to rebuild civilization. They know people will survive into the future. They know that not all cities will be wrecked.

From my knowledge of what I heard at that time, the cities which survived and which didn't, Atlanta survived as a city, but it was wrecked because of the riots and the war which befell it. By the year 2000 from the data I have, reduced this population from 3-1/2 million, believe it or not, to 15,000.

LE: So, you want to be out of the cities at this time.

BIELEK: Right. Denver survived completely, as did some other cities. Some of the more rural areas survived quite well. The problem, is that you don't want to be directly in the Rocky Mountains, because they are going to be badly shaken. Denver is far enough east that it will not be hit by mountain movements. If an asteroid were to hit, yes, every city on the continent would be hit by the ripple effect through the mantle. There are military watching for that and, hopefully, we will never be hit by such a large object.

Hale-Bopp was diverted and split into six pieces in the process.

LE: Oh, really?

BIELEK: Yes. Then, they moved it out early and changed the orbit. According to the scientific computer estimates, they told the public it would be a fly-by. Drs. Hale and Bopp said about one million miles from Earth from the latest computation; the original one said 100 to 125 million miles away. According to the information I received, the military said it was on a direct collision course with the Earth. There had been 23 course corrections, and they could see where it was headed. They were sweating bullets.

LE: It was being directed, like some people thought?

BIELEK: Yes. It was being directed straight into a collision course with Earth.

LE: And there was a spacecraft directing it, like some people said?

BIELEK: Yes. There was a very large craft in back of it. They had good photographs of it through the Hubble telescope, too, believe it or not, which were never made public, of course. The military or NASA or both had been tracking Hale-Bopp for some 10 years - well outside the solar system, because it's the largest comet known in the history of man. It's a very large object with a huge trail. They were able to track it that far out, because they have very sophisticated equipment.

LE: How could they divert it if the spacecraft was directing it?

BIELEK: Because they found a way to divert Hale-Bopp by means of the particle-beam weapons systems and other highly advanced techniques. They were able to move it, divert it from the Earth, and send it out early. It was actually supposed to hit apogee about 28 April to 1 May. It was on its way out by 28 April.

LE: Did they attack the spacecraft?

BIELEK: Yes, they did. They destroyed it. I've not seen the photos, but photos were taken, and the information I have is that there were many attempts through the military and cooperation with remote viewers, who agreed that there was a large object there. Nobody could agree about what or who was in it. They couldn't even agree on the size, because I got feedback through military channels that there were 137 remote viewers involved in this, from whom they got all the data and stories. They got 137 different opinions. None agreed with the other. The military finally concluded, and I think rightfully so, that this means that there was somebody intelligent on board, who was directing the return view of what these people saw to what those individuals perhaps would like to see. Since there were 137 different views of what was seen, they felt obviously this was being directed and obviously they were hostile or they wouldn't be acting that way. So, they took the view that whoever was in that object and the object were hostile.

After Hale-Bopp was out of the way, it was sitting there for a period of time. They had been transmitting radio signals for a period of time that have never been decoded. They've been unable to crack them. I have inputs which suggest that it was not a language anyway but a computer code for some other purpose, and that would never be cracked if the purpose of the encoding were never known. At least, I heard that they didn't. All of a sudden, the radio signal stopped, and the thing was gone. It was destroyed. There was a lifeboat, which went very rapidly and went outside the solar system. According to information I have, a series of very special aircraft, which we have, destroyed it. The series is the Aurora, and very few people know about them. That's our most advanced flying weapon that we have.

The newest version that the US builds (the other version is built by the Russians) will do Mach 35 outside of the atmosphere, meaning around the Earth in less than one hour. It can circumnavigate the entire Earth in less than one hour. According to information I have from Phil Schneider, who had privy to a lot of information before he died about which he did talk, is that the new Russian version is smaller than hours, and they can do Mach 50 in the atmosphere. This is the Aurora aircraft, which uses a very special form of atomic nuclear grid bed engines with enormous thrust. Each engine puts out 10 million pounds of thrust. With two of them (20 million pounds of thrust), they can fly straight from the Earth to the moon with a payload and come back with a payload without refueling. These vehicles, which can go deep into space, were used to get to Hale-Bopp and destroy it.

LE: Since you mentioned where you went before you went to Montauk, could you share a little bit more about that society when you were there?

BIELEK: It was still in the process of being rebuilt. If I remember correctly, the banking systems were nearly gone. The banking systems did vanish completely later. The governments were in a very strange state. They were localized governments but they were evolving.

LE: But, they had the technology to send you to Montauk?

BIELEK: Oh, yeah. They had the technology for space travel even then. Of course, we have it now. It was not lost, but they were rebuilding what had been here on the Earth, and it was a tremendous job. Another problem they had was what could they do with the nuclear waste? And, that's one of the biggest problems we have on the Earth today. It's poisoning the atmosphere. The nuclear waste floating around in the upper atmosphere is really what's responsible for destroying the ozone layer - not the spray chemicals and not the Freon-12. That's absolute hogwash. It is due to nuclear waste floating around in the atmosphere from all the bomb tests and various other things. The nuclear waste in the ocean is another problem that is catching up with us severely. In the future, this was a problem. I don't know how they do it, but they were in the process then. We didn't have much time to ask questions.

From there, we were sent back to Montauk, and, at Montauk, a lot of our memories were erased. Duncan still does not remember the side trip, but I do. How I became aware that we'd had a side trip was another strange story involving a man, whom I met at the First International UFO Convention in Tucson, Arizona, put on by Wendell Stevens. A guest there with whom I spoke (and I'll only use his first name), was Jeff, who was an extreme psychic. He was brought up through the project, Trojan Horse, which was a German project transferred to the US after World War II. He was very, very psychic. We had a conference going and were sitting around a big round table. I went over to talk with him and ask him some questions. I'd never met him before that. I handed him my business card. He held it and started reading off it. He said, hmm, he saw something strange there. I thought, well, he's psychic, he's going to come up with something. He said he saw two time lines. He said, "You've lived through the same time period twice." I thought, "Holy baloney!" This guy's onto something." He looked at me and looked at the card and said, "Your name's not Al Bielek, your name's Edward Cameron. You've got a Ph.D. in physics. You graduated from Harvard. Furthermore, you don't really know what happened with the Philadelphia Experiment.'" At that point, my mouth was literally hanging half way to the ground.

LE: This was when?

BIELEK: This was at Wendell Stevens' First International UFO Convention, Tucson, Arizona, I think in 1993 - 1992 or 1993. I said, well, I know there are some gaps in my memory about the "Philadelphia Experiment." I don't know everything that happened. He said, "You don't know what really happened." He said, "You went into the year 2137 with your brother. You were stuffed full of scientific information by the government there and sent back, and the US government taps you now, periodically, because they figure the information is safer with you two than anywhere else." This is what he told me, verbatim. I went through the concrete of the floor, and there was no basement. I was flabbergasted. I had never seen this guy before in my life and he did this reading. Everything he said has proven to be true because, eventually, I did remember.

This guy was absolutely unbelievable. He has been all over Europe and high society. Later, he showed me his scrapbook of photos of the people in Europe with whom he used to party - in Bangkok and all over the world. He was supplied with money from unknown sources. He was being directed by an outside alien group and was under the guidance of - I can't remember which there are so many of them. However, he was navigating them so to speak. They helped train him as part of project Trojan Horse, and which they moved to Brazil. He was born in Brazil of normal parents and raised in that project. He escaped sometime around the age of 12 or 13. The rest of his life is a little obscure to me, but he was sent to the UN to talk with a certain person, which he did, and that guy set up a bank account for him and said he'd always had money in the account. From that time, he traveled and met various people.

I do not know what his real function was supposed to be. He wanted to work with me in Phoenix and a third party, and, in the process of boarding a plane in Tampa, Florida, to go to meet us in Phoenix, he was abducted by US government agents, knocked out, and put on a plane that was going to go to Russia, if it was read remotely correctly. That plane was turned back, and he wound up in the underground in New Mexico, where he was helped to escape. It's a longer story, and I won't go into the details. He wound up on the surface and was told that transportation would be provided. He stood on the side of the road and watched a bus come down the road. The engine died right in front of him, and the bus stopped. He talked to the bus driver and told him he needed to get to the next town. The bus driver said that he couldn't take him because he didn't have a ticket. The guy said that he had money and argued the bus driver into accepting him and paid him. The bus driver dropped him off at the next town, where he met some people I know, like Bill English. I think the next town was Alamagordo, New Mexico. From there, he called me wherever I was. I went back to Phoenix, and he arrived several days later from New Mexico. He told me where he was, and I went to meet him in the motel. He looked haggard and was haking like a leaf. He looked like he'd been through the concrete mixer several times over.

He asked if I saw anything strange about him, and I said, "Yeah, where'd all your hair go?" He said, "Where I was in the underground facility, they shaved me clean of every stitch of hair on my body and told me a story of torture and everything else that the civilian doctors ...." I asked if they were human, and he said, "Yes. He said they were torturing me. They wired me up, but I don't know what they were going to do. I was given help to get out and here I am." He showed me that back of his neck (and I have a video of this, because the guy in Alamagordo did a complete analysis and video of him), he had a big hole where they must have had some kind of probe. He had Army fatigues on rather than his regular clothes, which he acquired in the process of his escape, because his suitcases had vanished at the airport when he was abducted. He finally made it to Phoenix. Well, we didn't do anything like he'd originally planned, and he eventually recovered and his hair grew back. But, he was so badly shaken when I met him, and had obviously been through a very harrowing experience, and for what reason I don't know. I have no idea what it was all about, except that somebody did not want him to meet me and a third party, whom I'll not name. That broke up the operation literally.

I can surmise what it was all about, but I won't go into it because of the identity of the third party, who is a fairly young person for whom I don't want to cause any problems.

LE: Something about which you talked is that the reason they leave you alone is that you carry some kind of energy field.

BIELEK: That's part of it, plus the fact that I traveled through time and came back. I have my own time loop. One of the problems is that Dr. Norman Levinson, who was a math professor at MIT (born, I think in 1912 and died in 1976, I believe), wrote a series of mathematical books. I found four or five of them on the shelves of the library at Princeton, the Institute of Advanced Study, which he wrote about a series of things called the time equations, the time matrix, and such, which are still classified today. One of the things, which he developed and said was that, if you produce a disruption in the time field, it becomes unstable, because, just as an electronic transmission line for radio or TV work, it has an impedance in the line. You must terminate that line at its appropriate characteristic impedance or you get reflected energy.

You don't get full transmission of the power down the line. It has to be properly terminated at the right impedance, which is well known to electronic engineers, which I am. If you do not terminate that line at the proper impedance, and it's either too low or too high, you get reflected energy back to the source. You don't get proper power transfer. This is well-known and well-established. The same thing holds for the time field. If you cause a sharp disruption, which was the case when the "Philadelphia Experiment" locked up with the "Montauk Project" on 12 August 1943 and 1983, you produce a disturbance in the time field. Like an unterminated transmission line, you will cause a ripple in the time field and reverse time energy fields started to go back.

Of course, Dr. von Neumann knew this in his math. There was a problem in 1963, where the forward field was met by the reverse field. He mathematically extrapolated that we were going to have a real problem, like most of the North American continent was going to wind up in space and the rest would be covered by ocean water. They had to put the Earth on a new time line, which was successfully done in March 1963 by a group, involving Dr. von Neumann and three other scientists. I met one of the others, but the other two were from the future, and I don't know who they were. Dr. von Neumann had his own time machine and recruited these people to work for him.

LE: All right. So, we're on a different time line now?

BIELEK: Yes. We're on a different time line than the original - the whole planet. That saved the day, so to speak, to prevent the forward and reversed time waves hitting each other, because the reversed one was attenuated severely by going on a new time line. Shall we say, this vectorially avoided the collision by going off in a different direction. That's exactly what they did, so the effect was minimal. We're still on that alternate time line, and this has helped, in a way, to change history. There is such a complex of problems involving time engineering, re-engineering, being on a different than the original time line, that it's hard to say where this may all come out. Shall we say, the innermost levels of the government and the scientists, who work with it, are well-aware of this problem. They have been doing time engineering and re-engineering. Of course, outside groups have been concerned about this, as well.

There's another group, of which I only recently learned, is the group which runs the "Montauk Boys" project. That's a very long story in itself, since my number two son was a "Montauk Boy," and we go into it sideways because of that, finding out that there was not just one. All the "Montauk Boys" projects are now away from Montauk. They went in 1980 or 1981. I went into other sectors, all underground bases (six on Long Island). Every major city in the US has one. They're processed all over the country. In fact, the "Montauk Boys" is a generic term. It doesn't refer to location, only to the processing and the product. They're hitting them all over the world. Over 10 million Americans have been processed in the "Montauk Boys" project.

LE: I've read different information about things with which you've been involved. I've never really understood what the "Montauk Boys" project is.

BIELEK: This is a project to implant and program them for future use. The original program started in about 1975 and 1976. It's ongoing to this day. They had to pick these kids at a vulnerable age around puberty. This means that the candidates were selected. They are quite careful about selecting them. They have to fit a certain genetic pattern. They want these candidates from anywhere around 12 to 16, sometimes as late as 17. Beyond that age, around the age of 17, the mindset starts to become fixed, and they can't really be set up and trained the way they are wanted. The ideal ages seem to be from 13 to 15. They are programmed, conditioned to be push-button controlled for remote programming already inserted into their subconsciousnesses through the implants and the conditioning of each individual.

The "Montauk Boys" are now implanted by some very sophisticated techniques. They go through training first, processing, mind control, implants in the subconscious, command factors, personality changes and variants, preconditioning to do certain things upon command. The command will be supplied either by a final level of programming or, if the final level's inserted, there are certain command functions which can be delivered either by a radio transmission (because the human brain will receive scalar transmissions if not damaged). You can transmit from an FM or AM radio transmitter (typically AM) a scalar energy announcement, which will be heard by the candidate by the scalar reception techniques of the human brain. "If you reach this message, call this phone number and you will get your instructions either to report to a certain place or to set into motion that preprogrammed program."

LE: Based on your knowledge, what kinds of things are they being programmed?

BIELEK: I didn't know for what they were being programmed, but now I know. They are being set up to be assassins, riot makers (like in the LA riots a few years ago which were not restricted for LA), spies, sex slaves, whatever. I might add that there are "Montauk Girls," as well as "Montauk Boys," though I only know of one. They're apparently a fairly rare commodity. In terms of females being converted into sex slaves, "Project Monarch" is much more common, as Cathy O'Brien has explained in her book. I won't go into that.

LE: We published her information previously.

BIELEK: Yes, it is quite well known. I presume there are "Montauk Girls", who are programmed in a similar manner, although you have a problem physiologically in terms of the different polarities of the chakras in the female from the male. Nevertheless, a way has been found to program them. They can be set up to be sex slaves, male or female. Primarily, they like to set them up as saboteurs, rioters and assassins.

I'm sure everyone has watched in horror the business of who assassinated the world-renowned designer in Miami Beach. When they were finally able to be sure who murdered this designer, I took one look at his picture and could see that he is a "Montauk Boy." They have a certain look. If you see one in person, you know almost immediately whether or not he's a "Montauk Boy." There are certain characteristics in their auras that are modified by their electronic programming and processing or, if you are good at reading body language (as is Preston Nichols), you can tell from the body language.

LE: There are millions of them?

BIELEK: There are 10 million-plus in the US alone, and they're continuing to program. I took one look at this guy's picture and said, "He's a 'Montauk Boy.'" He might have acted as a normal person up to the point that somebody pushed his buttons. Now, interviews with his family are coming out. Number one, we had no idea that he was a homosexual. He denied it all the time. We had no idea that he was into this sort of thing. He was a nice, quiet, well-mannered boy. His earliest roommate said that he was a great guy, a humanitarian, and did all these good things, and he had no idea that he could turn into a murderer. The next roommate, of course, was one of the victims. They asked the second roommate if he might be a murderer, but he said, of course, he's dead. He went through this string of murders. Who ordered this and why? What did this designer in Florida know or what connections did he have all over the world?

LE: What did he find out that they didn't want him to know?

BIELEK: Right. He was a homosexual, and that seems to be disparaging. He apparently was in and out of the gay bars and knew an awful lot of people. Who did he know who was dangerous to someone? That's the question. Why did they order Noonan to murder him. This was an outright order in my view.

LE: Now, because of your being involved in all of these projects and traveling through time, they don't want to fool with you because they don't know - like current travels over a copper wire, you've actually become part of the copper wire. There's no precedent for the kinds of things through which you've been, so, they just don't fool with you.

BIELEK: Well, the one other precedent, which exists and is similar, is my brother, Duncan. He is probably physically kept alive (because he was dying at the "Montauk Project" as the original Duncan, and they had to find another body for him), and he was reborn in 1951. That's all in the Montauk series books. He is in a similar position because they have to keep him and Preston alive to 2003. As it turns out, they told Preston that he'd time-traveled, but he doesn't have any recollection and doesn't believe it. They started doing some specialty programming on him, and he started doing some for himself (which is difficult to do), and he started to remember that he has done some time-traveling himself. Dr. John von Neumann is alive for the same reason. He's been a time traveler. I've dubbed a name, "Atlantis Not Revisited." I gave one lecture on it by that title. They have to keep him alive, and he's in his 90s. His mind is nearly shot, but he's still alive.

LE: So, until 2003, they have to keep everybody alive.

BIELEK: Because there's a 20-year damping period, according to the equations of Levinson, before the time-field system is self-stabilizing and is stable by itself. He said that, after the disruption, it takes another 20 years. He said that you have to stabilize it and, I guess, the only thing that is stabilizing it is us four people - certainly, three of us, and probably the fourth - Dr. von Neumann. We are the human damping factors. How this works, I have no idea. Nobody I know has been able to explain it. They have to keep us alive for that reason. After 2003, supposedly, we're expendable.

LE: In the year 2000, the Earth changes are going to happen, so, it looks like, basically, just quickly without going into a lot about this, how did you see this happening initially - like volcanoes?

BIELEK: Volcanic action, severe earthquakes and, one of the other problems, is the very violent weather that is developing. This violent weather is also partially due to "Project HAARP," as well as natural changes. "Project HAARP" is causing such disruptions that the jet stream is getting closer and closer to the Earth. If the jet stream actually gets down to surface level, we'll see winds of 300 to 350 miles per hour, which will wipe out everything - buildings, forests, the works. We've already had 120 mph winds on Long Island, which were not been reported to the public. They've had 160 mph winds in Oregon, which were apparently reported on local TV. They couldn't understand why the winds were so fast. They had 150 mph winds in England in 1986 or 1987, which ripped out 11 miles of highway - not so much the highway but broke the trees of the forest off at ground level.

LE: I know there are a lot of theories about the uses of HAARP. What is your observation?

BIELEK: It was originally intended to be used for weather modification. Since Preston Nichols has been in touch with Dr. Nick Begich ...

LE: Yes, we interviewed him also for our newspaper.

BIELEK: Yes, he also has lectured for this group. Because he has to look for the modulation wave forms in Alaska, he made some observations and recordings, and he compared them with some data which Preston has of the Montauk modulations when they were using it for mind control. They are identical. This means that "Project HAARP" has the ability of being used for mind control.

LE: Now, these different satellite towers and radio towers and all this sort of stuff or directly?

BIELEK: What the public doesn't know is that there is an original HAARP in Alaska outside of Anchorage. There's another one in Canada. There are two in Russia, which might not be built as HAARP and precede "Project HAARP," but were used in the weather modification program. There are repeaters for the HAARP program all over our continent, including one on Long Island. Obviously, they're not there strictly for the purpose of weather modification. Preston pointed it out to me on my last trip to Long Island. It's a well-known antenna farm, but they're not telling anybody what it's for.

LE: When things do happen in the year 2000, do you recall what kind of government was in force at that time?

BIELEK: It went to martial law, because it came totally out of the hands of our government to handle the disasters, which were piling on top of each other. They couldn't bail out the states with emergency aid and assistance. There weren't any money and physical facilities. They declared martial law and let the military take over. The military became the government.

LE: Was this all over the world?

BIELEK: Yes, essentially, but maybe not totally. I don't recall if it became a worldwide problem, but it most definitely was in the US. There were certain countries and areas of Europe, which disappeared or had very severe damage - worse than in the US. In terms of the US, we had problems on both coasts and the Gulf coast. The five great lakes became one lake. The Mississippi River becomes about 30 miles wide and is an internal causeway, and they eventually built a bridge over it - the longest suspension bridge in the world.

LE: Both of the coasts had severe damage? BIELEK: The coastal damage was worse on the West Coast, but nowhere near as severe as Gordon Michael Scallion envisions it. Part of Los Angeles survived. Parts of San Francisco survives. San Diego vanished completely, because the destruction of the land slowly moved inland, so that the ocean actually got in as far as the Salton Sea, as I remember. The Gulf Coast, including most of Florida, disappeared - not the Panhandle. A strip about 50 miles wide across move of the Gulf Coast area, all the way to Mexico, went under water. This included the city of Houston. New Orleans vanished. Chicago vanished and sank in the mess. Other cities were badly damaged, and others survived quite well. The biggest problems were the earthquakes, the cut-off of the power grid, the cut-off of transportation and the cut-off of food supplies across the country. These started riots due to starvation and lack of food. The human element became the worst element.