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Cypher
Blair 'showing his contempt for voters' over new EU treaty
By BENEDICT BROGAN - More by this author »

Last updated at 23:48pm on 20th April 2007
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The Prime Minister was accused of bringing in the controversial EU constitution by the back door by promising to spend the dying days of his premiership securing a deal.

A leaked letter from German Chancellor Angela Merkel further fuelled these fears by suggesting that "presentational changes" are simply made to the constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005 and that "different terminology" is used without changing "the legal substance".

The letter, which was sent to member states ahead of a June summit of EU leaders to agree the treaty, contains a number of questions. It adds:

"Every effort will have to be made to restrict changes to what is absolutely necessary to reach an overall agreement and ensure ratification."

Neil O'Brien, director of campaign group Open Europe, said: "This leak shows that we are going to have the exact same proposals pushed through under a different name, with a few "presentational changes".

'It's incredibly cynical, but the voters are not stupid and will not be fooled. Brown would be mad to go along with Blair's plan to take away our right to a vote.'

In an astonishing U-turn, Mr Blair has made clear the British people will not be given a referendum on the new "scaled down" version of the constitution.

The deal is due to be approved by June, only days before he is expected to quit Downing Street and make way for his successor - expected to be Chancellor Gordon Brown.

Following a public outcry over the constitution back in 2004, the Prime Minister promised that British voters would be given a say.

But Mr Blair yesterday insisted there was "no case" for a public vote on the new treaty - which agrees rules under which the 25 member states must operate.

Critics point out that it will also lead to a permanent EU president and foreign minister and it takes away Britain's veto on areas such as law and order.

In an interview with European newspapers, Mr Blair said: "If it is not a constitutional treaty so that it alters the basic relationship between Europe and the member states, then there isn't a case for a referendum."

The Prime Minister went on to admit that he would be pilloried for agreeing the new treaty and revealed that the plan has the backing of Mr Brown.

"We are going to get attacked whatever we do, but Europe needs to move forward," he added.

In June Germany, the current holder of the EU presidency, will present EU leaders with a roadmap for the adoption of a new constitutional treaty.

It has said it wants to preserve as much of the old constitution as possible and has support from 17 other states which have all ratified, or nearly ratified, the text.

But Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague pointed out that French and Dutch voters had rejected attempts to bring in the last EU constitution.

He said: "Tony Blair was previously committed to campaigning for the European constitution and to hold a referendum on it in the country.

"What he is saying now sounds suspiciously like an attempt to introduce elements of it by the back door, despite its decisive rejection by the voters of France and Holland.

"This would go against the Government's previous assurances and be totally unacceptable to the people of Britain. It is vital that any new treaty that transfers power from Britain to the EU should be subject to a referendum."

UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage also branded Mr Blair's comments "outrageous". He said: "I am not interested in what the new treaty is called, I am interested in what it does.

"The British people have not had a say on our position in the EU for 32 years, and we must have a referendum on any treaty which transfers power away from Westminster."

But Mr Blair said there was a need for a watered-down treaty after rejection of the old constitution.

He admitted that he would be accused of "selling out" and said that the dilemma for all British premiers was that they were accused on the EU of either "isolation or treason".

Tory MP Bill Cash, chairman of the European Foundation, said: "As a democratic country, it is essential that we put in place national referendums on the new treaty and all other existing treaties.

"To not do so is a gross injustice. It is undemocratic and treats the British people with contempt."



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770
This is hugely worrying. Once this treaty becomes law, *ALL* right to protest is revoked.
Permanently.
Cypher
Looks like the Express has also cottoned on now:
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SECRET NEW PLAN FOR EU SUPERSTATE
Friday June 15, 2007
By Geoff Marsh for express.co.uk

TONY Blair wants to hand the European Union radical new powers in his last act as Prime Minister, it emerged today.

The Prime Minister has welcomed controversial plans to bring back the troubled EU constitution by the back door - totally bypassing the need for public referendums on sweeping new powers for Brussels.

German chancellor Angela Merkel has suggested ditching the name "constitution" from the title and instead calling it an "amending treaty" - to avoid having to seek the approval of voters.

French and Dutch voters rejected the original plan - which would hand Brussels the power to represent individual countries at the UN and change national laws - two years ago.
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The British people will see right through any shabby stitch-up.
Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague

Britain's voting rights would be reduced by a third under the scheme and our hard-won veto on European directives would be torn up. Britain could also lose the right to impose quotas on immigration.

Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague said: "If Tony Blair thinks he can hoodwink the British people by smuggling in the rejected EU consitution under another name, he had better think again.
Entropiate
I think these articles are a bit misleading really. I don't see any legal way that anything binding can emerge from Blair's last EU summit on 21st/22nd (German Chancellor Angela Merkel's last as EU President). Brown would by PM by the time the "tweaking" of any new treaty was done (there's an IGC scheduled for July for this reason). That's not to say Brown won't offer up our souls when the time comes, but at least as it stood in draft form, the "Treaty Establishing A Constitution for Europe" as rejected by the French and the Dutch, is dead. worthy.gif

The Polish, Czech, UK and Dutch governments are all known to have sought amendments and/or concessions concerning the new (mini?) "treaty", but going into the summit, it's still not clear exactly what'll happen. Even as late as yesterday the Poles were still flexing their cajones. (EU Business - Poles march to EU summit. . .) We'll have to wait and see, but there are a few more hurdles to come regardless. unsure.gif

Con! serv-at-(h)ive leader, David Cameron, told the Sunday Telegraph that "Any treaty that is about the transfer of powers to the EU must be put to the country in a referendum." (10th June 2007 - Dilemma for Brown as Blair plans EU deal).

For once I agree with the posh boy - although I don't recall Conservative PM Margaret Thatcher or Conservative PM John Major offering a referendum on the Single European Act in 1987 or the 1991 Maastricht Treaty, both of which ceded powers to the EEC, as it was then.

(Asked to characterize Thatcher's stance towards Europe, most people remember her giving them a good "hand-bagging" over Britain's rent money. What a joke. Take a look at the Single European Act and you'll see why.)

To his credit, Conservative PM Edward Heath did arrange for history to appear to show he did the right thing by giving us a vote when he took us into the EEC even if he was lie through his teeth. (See here for more info on how the referendum was rigged in the 70s)

Contempt for voters? It's par for the course.

Hey Brits! Wake up, before it's too late. And I don't mean voting for those UKIP scoundrels either! You think they want to give up their £250k salary? Yeah right.

What's that? It's already too late & there's nothing left to save?

Oh yes, so it is. Good thing Big Brother started this week isn't it? nono.gif
Entropiate
On the other hand, it DOES look pretty bad:

BBC - Blair sets out EU treaty demands

Hard sounding title conceals much bad news and trickery.

Since it's not mentioned as a "casualty" I'm assuming then that the EU will soon have the authority to take out loans that we'll have to pay back with interest. It can enter into treaties too. Will what's good for the EU always be good for the UK?

Also, the "right of a member state to leave the union" will also slip through then I guess - along with the section that says countries choosing to leave will do so under the terms set by the others!

And there's UKIP talking about "decoys". Takes one to know one UKIP.

(Did I mention that Brits need to wake up?)
Cypher
Here's a potted history of the Single European Act, 1986, in case anyone else needs a quick refresher (like I did):

By February 1986, the Common Market had evolved into the European Economic Community (EEC). Prime Minister Maggie Thatcher moved the process of political integration a significant step forward that year by agreeing to the Single European Act (SEA). As well as changing the title Common Market to EEC, the new treaty redefined the Common Market as a Single Market - something completely different to that which had been promoted by Heath. The purpose of the treaty was set out in the first paragraph, & defined its purpose as bringing about 'ever closer union'.

The influence of the Community was now extended to include areas which had little to do with trade. Employment and working conditions, environmental issues and regional development were just some of the areas of British life which now came under increasing influence from Brussels.

But, perhaps the most important change was the decision by Thatcher to sign Britain up to the principle of 'Qualified Majority Voting' (QMV). This meant that Britain could no longer always veto proposals that were disadvantageous to the nation. It was the beginning of the end of the national veto and the birth of the supremacy of EU law. This drove a dagger into the heart of the British independent nation state and the power of our national government.

Thatcher later said that she was tricked into signing the treaty. Whatever the truth, her actions and those of her Ministers hastened Britain along the road leading to the loss of national sovereignty.

Today's Express has a nice big headline about the new EU Superstate - it looks like there's still a chance that enough people might waken up in time to realise that the rug is being pulled from under us all.
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EU SUPERSTATE: 80% OF US WANT REFERENDUM
By Macer Hall, Political Editor
Wednesday June 20,2007


EU flag: The future for Britain?

FOUR out of five Britons want a referendum if Tony Blair agrees to a controversial new European Union treaty.

An opinion poll by ICM Research found that 80 per cent of voters want a say about Britain's future in Europe, and only 15 per cent disagree.

Nearly two thirds are against the plan for a new President of Europe, a post that outgoing Prime Minister Tony Blair has been tipped for.

The survey was published last night, as Mr Blair prepared to fly to Brussels tomorrow for his final European Union summit. The gathering of European leaders will be dominated by the treaty plan, designed to replace the failed EU constitution.

It's findings will intensify pressure on the Government to hold a nationwide vote if he does agree to the proposed new treaty, which will hand many more decision-making powers to EU chiefs.

Mr Blair is at loggerheads with his successor, Chancellor Gordon Brown, over the treaty. The Prime Minister has ruled out a referendum but the Chancellor has indicated that a vote might be held after his takeover in Downing Street next week.

In an indication of the increasingly ­chaotic negotiations, the pair were kept in separate rooms during a phone conference call with French President Nicolas Sarkozy yesterday about the treaty proposals.

Officials confirmed that Mr Blair and Mr Brown remained in different offices during the call from Paris, Mr Blair's spokesman blaming equipment problems.

But the pair were given a stark warning, in the ICM poll, of public hostility towards the proposed treaty, commissioned by the Eurosceptic foreign-affairs think tank Global Vision.

The poll showed that 58 per cent of Britons are opposed to one of the main provisions of the treaty, the pledge to introduce a permanent EU president.

A total of 34 per cent supported the idea.

Global Vision director Ruth Lea said: "Tony Blair promised the British people a referendum on the original Constitution and neither he nor Gordon Brown should renege on this promise."

Earlier proposals for an EU constitution were ditched, after rejection in referendums in France and Holland. But supporters, led by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, whose country holds the sixth-month EU presidency, still want some form of agreement to streamline the workings of the 27-nation union.

Critics claim the proposed treaty is essentially a new version of the constitution. Possible changes to the EU voting system could mean British objections to law changes being overruled. Mr Blair's spokesman said yesterday: "We do not believe a referendum will be necessary."

But Mr Brown said he would not hesitate to order a referendum "if it were necessary".

He added: "I suspect that the best deal for Britain will be one where we will get what we want at this summit."

Last night, EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso appeared to warn Mr Blair not to block the treaty. He said: "Of course all member states have the same right to put their objections and problems. But please avoid appearing as blocking. This is not intelligent. This is not in your interest."
Articles from other newspapers:
  • Daily Mail: Beckett tells EU: 'You're in denial over constitution'
  • The Times: Insults fly over 'red lines' stance on EU treaty
  • The Guardian: "EU treaty talks could fail, says Beckett
At least the major media are carrying the story now... I just hope that people start to waken up.
Entropiate
Notice how the article once again fails to mention the shortly to be created enhanced legal status of the EU and its ability to raise loans in our name! Nor does it mention that the other members states will now get total say over the exit terms for member states who wish to leave the union either. Instead the public get to whinge about the creation of a stonger presidency - and even then most of them are probably can't separate the concept of the presidency and Blair in their minds - which is to completely miss the point. The shift of emphasis and focus from the national level to the European level, is what this is all about. Wake up Brits!

Nonetheless, in terms of what you wrote, yes, yes and yes. The SEA represented a fundamentally devastating loss of British sovereignty.

Brits sign up to "Ever closer union"
Brits agree "Qualified Majority Voting' (QMV)"
Brits succumb to "supremacy of EU law"

And this was under Mrs Thatcher remember.

Yes, Thatcher did later say that "she was tricked into signing the treaty", but I'm never quite sure how to interpret that. Yes, on the one hand she was unceremoniously dumped half-way through her third term of office shortly after: but even if she was tricked by the Europeans, she should have given the people the right to a say. It's one thing to agree at the Euro level, but the treachery still had to be ratified on the national stage and she could have held a referendum.

Given that, how comfortable are Brits that the principle of "no transfer of sovereignty without a referendum" will be honoured by either Brown or Cameron? At the very least, it's a safe bet that we won't have a referendum until the result can be guaranteed to be in accordance with the globalist agenda.

(Yes, my mistake. Technically the SEA is '86 as it was signed in February of that year; although it didn't actually come into force across the EEC until 1st July 1987)
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