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Danis
By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor,
Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:47am GMT 18/02/2007

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Ministers plan to force all adults to travel miles at their own expense to fingerprint scanning units so their details can go onto an identity card database. From 2009, everyone will have to attend one of 69 "interview centres", whose locations are revealed today for the first time.

People without their own transport, such as the elderly and the less well off, will be hit hardest by having to make round trips that in some cases will be more than 100 miles. Somebody living in Cambridge would be forced to make a 62-mile round trip to Bury St Edmunds, while people in Blackpool would have to travel 54 miles to Blackburn and back. In Stranraer, residents face a 128-mile round trip to Kilmarnock.

The revelations are the latest blow for the Government's crisis-hit ID card scheme. Ministers claim the scheme, which will see the first cards issued in two years' time, will cost £5.4 billion, although experts at the London School of Economics say the total bill could be £19.3 billion. Biometric passports, which hold similar personal details to ID cards, will be issued later this year. There will then be a two-year period during which people will be able to apply for a passport without also being forced to apply for an ID card.

From 2010, all passport applicants, even if they are simply renewing their old one, will also have to apply for an identity card.

Last night David Davis, the shadow home secretary, branded the latest revelations an "outrage" and repeated the Conservative pledge to abolish ID cards, which he dubbed the "plastic poll tax".

Labour also wants all first-time applicants for a British passport to travel to the same 69 centres for interview, when they will be asked about things like previous addresses and bank accounts.

If the party wins the next election, it will make ID cards compulsory for all British citizens over the age of 16, whether they have a passport or not. In its ID cards "Action Plan", the Government has confirmed that when people are forced to enrol for an ID card, "fingerprint biometrics (for all 10 fingerprints) will be recorded and stored in the National Identity Register". It is possible that iris scans will also be taken. Ministers also published a report to Parliament on the cost of the scheme last October, which did not include plans to cover interview costs.

Mr Davis said: "It is bad enough that we will be forced to pay for an ID card, but to have to pay to go to a Government centre to be interviewed and fingerprinted is an outrage.

"These costs will hit low-income families and pensioners, who might otherwise not want passports, hardest. Conservatives will abolish this costly plastic poll tax. It will hit the taxpayer, not the terrorists."

The 69 locations for interview centres are: Aberdeen, Aberystwyth, Andover, Armagh, Barnstaple, Belfast, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Birmingham, Blackburn, Boston, Bournemouth, Bristol, Bury St Edmunds, Camborne, Carlisle, Chelmsford, Cheltenham, Coleraine, Crawley, Derby, Dover, Dumfries, Dundee, Edinburgh, Exeter, Galashiels, Glasgow, Hastings, Hull, Inverness, Ipswich, Kendal, Kilmarnock, Kings Lynn, Leeds, Leicester, Lincoln, Liverpool, London, Luton, Maidstone, Manchester, Middlesbrough, Newcastle, Newport, Newport (Isle of Wight), Northallerton, Northampton, Norwich, Oban, Omagh, Oxford, Peterborough, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Reading, Scarborough, Shrewsbury, Sheffield, St Austell, Stirling, Stoke-on-Trent, Swansea, Swindon, Warwick, Wick, Wrexham, Yeovil and York.
Cypher
This is outrageous, and quite scary to think that this is only 2 years away. The logistics for someone living on a remote Scottish island are laughable, too - for someone living on one of the Northern Isles in Shetland, for example, their closest railway station is actually in Norway. I hardly think that a 3-hour journey down to Lerwick followed by a 14-hour ferry crossing can be considered at all feasible.

I optimistically hope that this sort of thing may be good evidence that they are in reality a good bit further away from being able to implement biometric cards than they say - at the very least, the planning is still obviously very incomplete. Although the Tories are against the cards, I'm cynical enough about the state of politics to wonder what horrors they have lined up instead. A change of government seems to me certain to send us charging headlong down a path into a whole host of new and unknown horrors, although I do find it hard to imagine what could be worse - unless it was to decide to skip the intermediate step of ID cards altogether, and go directly down the microchip route from the start.

With any luck, this sort of thing might finally convince the Scottish voters to ditch 2-party farcical politics in favour of electing our own national government. I don't particularly believe anymore that the SNP would make any better a job of things (they are too pro-European, for one thing), but it strikes me that fragmented goverments within the UK would slow down the headlong charge towards outright slavery. Legislating seperately for each nation is sure to be a slower process than legislating just once for the whole of the UK.

Still, simply slowing things down is not satisfactory either. The question is, how to stop this completely before we're past the point of no return. Answers on a postcard, please...
Danis
Honestly, I don't feel the Conservative party will get rid of National ID Cards when and if they come into power. Labour's intrusive data mining of every single man, women and child will not be thrown away, as it will be seen as 'useful' to the Conservative party as well. The Conservative party is currently against this scheme because they're not in power, and in order to get more votes they look at areas the population frowns at the most. Once they re-gain power they will change tactics -- remove the ID card, but keep the National Identity Register, full of civilian fingerprints and information, and then give police fingerprint scanners to obtain the identity of a 'suspect' when they require it.

When I think about this I remember what Eric Blair, aka George Orwell wrote during the time he was fighting in the Spanish Civil War:

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'The clue to the behaviour of the Communist Party in any country is the military relation of that country, actual or potential, towards the U.S.S.R. In England, for instance, the position is still uncertain, hence the English Communist Party is still hostile to the National Government, and, ostensibly, opposed to rearmament. If, however, Great Britain enters into an alliance or military understanding with the U.S.S.R., the English Communist, like the French Communist, will have no choice but to become a good patriot and imperialist; there are premonitory signs of this already.'

Since the Conservative party is not in power at the moment they're hostile to the plans of the Labour government and often opposes plans made by them. Once the Conservative Party regains power, all their loyal supports will fall in line and back all the plans originally made by the previous government. At this point, Labour and its followers will become hostile to the new government's plans and oppose them.

This whole ID card system is built to manage the whole of society through fear.
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