What would you guys say is the best material to wake someone. My sister is going to Annapolis and after June it will be too late for her to back out. I know how brainwashed people get after going through boot camp. I am worried they will start WWIII and she will be the first they send. I showed her MArtial Law by Alex Jones and she says he made that stuff up. I showed her the news articles and government documents from 9-11 websites. Same answer. They are all making that stuff up, even if it comes from mainstream newspapers. I thought I was a skeptic! What can I show her that will convince her that the government is behind the terror?

Remember, her reluctance to admit there is something clearly wrong is conditioned ignorance. Your sister's answer is like a logic defense mechanism.

Have you shown her the Loose Change video? You could show her a number of videos that don't even have to do with 9/11, but show documented cases government corruption/lies.

I will try the Loose Change video. Another problem is will not even watch the whole thing. Halfway through she will come up with some excuse to leave, to do homework or something.

I know why she wants to go to Annapolis. She is into challenges. She climbed mountains and hiked through deserts with the Boy Scouts when she was younger. She is into martial arts. The military is another challenge to her. She will tell me "my country right or wrong," and that is the end of the conversation. I am getting really frusterated.

I kind of think that she believes that going through Annapolis will make her part of the "elite". She told me once that she wants to be a vice admiral. Good chance of that happening.

An another note, I had an interesting conversation on the bus. The guy sitting next to me already knew that it was an inside job, and a few other people joined the conversation. One lady thought it was rediculous but agreed to check out the 9-11 websites he listed. The guy was a good speaker, much better than I am.

I agree that Loose Change 2nd Edition is the best material I've found for opening peoples' eyes - certainly for younger age groups.

Another thing that might work is to get her to watch it along with some other people, because -

• there's less chance that she'll get up & leave before the end
• the opinions of other people might be useful in breaking the tension of you-versus-her
• if the others are inclined to believe the facts presented (as I would expect), the peer pressure might be useful in helping to break out of her present conditioning.

At the same time, I'd be careful to ensure that she doesn't feel threatened or pressurised when she sits down to watch it - if she's relaxed about things, she'll be more likely to be receptive to the facts, rather than calling on her automatic blocking mechanism to reject them out of hand.

I've been handing out loads of LC2E DVDs & had a couple of small screenings recently, & quite honestly, I've had the best results when I don't give people much idea of what they're about to watch, then filling in any other details afterwards.

That might well just be down to me doing a crap job of speaking about it tho

If you think she's completely closed off now to the truth, just wait until they get done with her in the military. Then you will see the full effects of brainwashing.

I just ordered the DVD version of Loose Change. I think I will leave it in the DVD player for her to find.

bring on issues which cannot be avoided - wtc7 + video of demolition wave.

You can't deny that wtc7 was demolition.
WTC7 is a test, not to waste time.
If she will deny it - im sorry but move on to somebody else.

Illuminaughty, read my post here. LC is not the one to show first to newcomers

Fallow my rule and it will work in most cases

http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forums/S...reets-t176.html

Let her watch: America from freedom to fascism or A Scanner Darkly.

It's so frustrating when people dont get it or just think you're nuts. Been there a few times.
I've been trying to wake my parents up for ages and they're having none of it. I think I bombarded them with too much info at the start, loads of dvds'n stuff.
My dads just got new car with cd player so I'm just gonna start giving him 1 radio interview a week on cd. Stuff like proffesors and respected authority figures talking about 911 being an inside job'n stuff.
Ted Gunderson and Proff Stephen Jones for starters. (WAKEY, WAKEY, RISE & SHINE!!!)

Yeah, I've certainly run into the same problem, due to over-enthusiasm on my part at the beginning... it took a long while before my Mum & sister were ready to listen to me again, after that.

Luckily, I had better success with my Dad & brother, & they were instrumental in my Mum & sister being willing to listen somewhat again. I don't think they'll ever be as involved as they might have been though. Oh well, not much I can do about that now, except not repeat the same mistakes again.

Baby steps. That works far better on people who haven't heard of any of this at all previously. I definitely find that if they are overloaded before they're ready to take it on board, it overwhelms them & they simply switch off, rather than try to deal with it at all. I think that's why e.g. Loose Change is so successful in what it does - it deals thoroughly with only one specific area, without throwing the net too wide & losing people by overwhelming them.

An online method that I found particularly useful in the early days of the ConCen tracker was to hammer Torrentspy with daily uploads of e.g. "The Money Masters", "Monopoly Men" & other good documentaries dealing with the financial aspects of the conspiracy. By promoting them heavily on other dumpsites, I made sure that I always had something in the top 3 files on TS on any given day. After a little while, people over there became less adverse to other conspiracy documentaries - although, it took a fair bit of perseverence & weathering a certain degree of negative comments on my files before their objections lessened. I find it particularly gratifying to see that Torrentspy's front page now reads more like a conspiracy site than anything - a far cry from when "Scienott" was the lone voice of reason, & constantly belittled for the articles he posted. Definite progress

LOL! Torrentspy... that rules and I can remember when conspiracy stuff first started showing up there and now... you're right, it is nearly a conspiracy site itself. I would bet heavilly that a LOT of people download those files quite regularly and have an awakening from them.

You could also try :
Just to bare true face of the military:
Why We Fight.
The Panama Deception.
Depleted Uranium.
War and globalisation [Chussodovsky]
terrorism globalism and Conspiracy [Parenti]
Beyond Treason.

peace'
standvast.

I have always found that one of the best ways to get people to acknowledge that the government is capable of doing such things is to use the one thing that binds us all no matter what one thinks, Feels, or believes, and that is money. Talk about or Show videos about the Federal Reserve operates, and Fractional Reserve Banking is conducted. and how the IRS steals their Money. The Devaluation of the dollar through the debt Based Economy./ Or another route to take is to get them to acknowledge that if you follow the money you follow the crime. The ask who gained from 9-11 ? Well point out the Settlement Mr Larry Silverstein go. then point of all the gold beneath the WTC. and lets not forget the stock that was bought against the Airlines. and so on and so forth. I have Brought several people in to the fold using this method. After I got me brother to seriously question the "Official Story" i asked him what held him back so long? And his Response was that he didn't want to believe that The United States government was capable of such things. Because after all this is the and of the free and home of the brave. And I think that a lot of Americans feel that way. That is are greatest hurdle.if any of has a better way let me know

Hey folks,

you completely covered the topic from conspiracy point of view, shall we balance a bit?

I'll split my recommendations to somewhat balanced & biased 9/11 conformists.

Somewhat balanced:
Video

1. The Power Of Nightmares download
2. Why we Fight download

Book

1. Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror by Michael Scheuer
2. Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror by Richard Clarke
3. The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives by Zbigniew Brzezinski

Web

1. http://www.pentagonresearch.com/ This site is excellent.

Biased 9/11 conformists:
Video

1. Screw Loose Change
   part1
   part2
   part3
2. 9/11 Deniers Speak
   part1
   part2
   part3
   part4 This one is interesting you can see how severe were the fires in WTC7.
   part5

I trust you enjoy the arguments from "opposite world".

PS: Something for good laugh There is no 9/11 conspiracy you morons. @ Maddox Site

The best way to convince someone is subtly. You cant give anyone the answer, you can just pose the question and let them figuere it out. Remember you can lead a horse to water but you can;t make him drink.

Another thing to consider is that your not gonna awaken everyone you want too. Sometimes you have to understand that those people have chosen their paths and will merit their consequences. You cant force a drug addict to stop doing drugs by saying drugs are bad in the same way you cant stop conservatives, neocon, flase patriots, sheep by giving them some logical common sense. Remember it isnt that they dont understand its that they dont want to understand. Remember in the matrix Cipher chose to make a deal with the agents/machines to be put back into the matrix because he couldnt take reality. he preffered the illusion, and so do many people.

Never be over powering or domineering, act casual about informations you give. I always do a confused approach. for example "Isnt it weird that building 7 collapsed even though it had no planes hitting it and their were only small fires, and buildings that were closer to the twin towers didnt collapse?". Wether they get it or not is irrelevatn, the point is to constantly implant seeds of doubt.


P.S. Z I looked at the SCREW LOOSE CHNAGE VIDEO and although I liked the fact that we are getting both sides of the story, i thik I could have done a better job of debunking loose change (and I like loose change). He kept metioning "What connection is this to 9/11". thats such stupid reasoning. Umm lemme see their trying to prove that the government is capable of carrying out terrorist attacks on its own people by showing proof that they have engaged in such activities even if just by planning it. The he asked what does that have to do with 911. Sounds like neocon reasoning to me. Then he kept saying thta their is no proof, well by that same token he has no proof to proove the contrary. anywyas let me stop before I get agitated with the idiocracy

Hey Majik - I know that's why I called it 'biased'...

It is time for an update. I am pissed. My sister flat out told me that she wants to join the power structure. Yes, 9-11 could have been an inside job, all the more reason to join them! I tried to explain that moral reasons aside, she has no freaking connections!!! She believes that because the US naval academy is an "elite" school she will automatically have all the connections she needs. I am afraid of how brainwashed she will be when she gets back.

Illuminaughty,

My heart goes out to you and your sister. She sounds like a warrior to me, and to a warrior seeking challenge, there is none greater than the path to self knowlegde. She knows on some level that everything she is doing is becuase she wants to know what she is really capable of, and maybe she thinks the nazy can provide he with that. But to face up to that responsibility she needs a more complete picture of what power and authority really means. I thk thas what you are really trying to convince her of.

The task of "convincing other people" implies that the knowledge we have comes from within and is shared with others. While this is true, it also implies that if that knowledge is't comeplete, than the knowledge we pass on won't be either. Therefore, if we are to convince others of conspiracies we must also convince them of their own power to change things. Authority alone won't do it, we must incoporate the totality of ourselves, of our own personal power.

The elites are incomplete in their knowledge, so they have worked hard to convince us that power and authority are the same thing; war, violence, and control... basically power OVER others. This is why researching the authoritarian conspiracies of the 20th century can create a bleak feeling of being "powerless", limited, and trapped inside a prison planet fro which you can't escape. A constrained picture of power unconsciously supresses knoweldge of our past. The ancient people knew that true power comes from within, and we seem to have forgotten that.

If I manage to convince someone consciously that authoritarian conspiracies are real (I believe they already know it subconsciously), their immediate responce is "what's the point of knowing this you can't do anything about it". Some people believe if you can't beat em, why not join them, and perhaps use authority for good. Perhaps this is where your sister is at on her path e, seeking to be "elite" as a way of dealing with her own complicity. This comes from trying to ake responsibility, but believing in yourself, a place where many get caught on the path.

My strategy for handling this, both for myself and others, is to encourage us all to redefine "power" for ourselves through personal research and interpretation. Widen the scope of our historical and spiritual viewpoint so that the quest for knowledge involves both 20th century authority as well as the mysteries of the ancient past. I call this the integration of authority and power, the tonal and the nagual. One without the other leaves us feeling incomplete.

There is innate power inside every human being, power of the imagination, power of love, power of self knowledge. People need to know that that they can access this power, it is a part of who they are and no one can ever take that away. We must know that we are more than material pawns on the planetary chessboard, we are eternal beings with a mysterious past who have forgotten who we are.

This is why self-knowledge is suppressed by the NWO, so we can be set against each other, never seeing how we are all connected. Self-censorship has become so systematic that we suppress our self-knowledge without even knowing it. The process begins in school and continues throughout our lives. Even as adults who are aware of this social engineering and the conspiratorial view of history, the level of the level of personal responsibility that self knowledge implies is remains daunting. Until we believe in ourselves and face this responsibility, we will continue to impose the slavery of ignorance on ourselves and others.

The infinite possibilities of love and human perception are always within our grasp, no matter what what the New World Order would have us believe. This is especialy rue when we trying to convince those we love like friedns and family. They know us and we know them, there's no hiding. In the end, we must acknowledge the totality of our selves.

Te nosce

Chris