Recently, I've had the pleasure of debating the issue of whether Israel carried out the 9/11 attacks or if the US Gov't/Power Elite carried out the 9/11 attacks. This all started when I saw an upload of Shanktalk with Peter Schaenk who at the time, was also assaulting Alex Jones in addition to Schaenk's unfounded claim that Israel carried out the 9/11 attacks. I found it a good exercise in attempt to find truth.

I have always suspected racist undertones and also that Schaenk belonged to the same crew as DBS and Hufschmidt. I also suspected Schaenk of Neo-Nazi sentiment. In debating with Schaenk on the "Con"spiracycentral tracker comments, Schaenk denied being racist or Nazi. He also denied this on a couple of his prior shows that I listened to.

Then, Schaenk interviewed Eric Hufschmidt, a 2 part show. In the 2nd show where Schaenk interviewed Eric Hufschmidt, at about timeframe 52:40 on the 8-8-06 show, both Schaenk and Huffschmidt really let their hair down. They start explaining why it's OK to be a white racist, and then they make claims to the White Nationalist Party and the National Socialist Party later on in the show. If you don't know, those parties are code words for the American Neo-Nazi Party. They even go on to criticize the part the party that is not all out aginst the jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_socialism

I am not trying to stir things up, but rather trying to nip something in the bud before it gets out of hand. I don't think it is OK to spread disinfo from the American Neo-Nazi Party, nor do I think racism against jews is OK even in the current situation concerning Israel's deplorable actions. I just want to point out to people that there IS an agenda eminating from Schaenk, Hufschmidt, and DBS.

I am not against theories concerning zionism. I used to think that there was nothing to the claims of zionist conspiracies, but that was because of the obvious lies coming from the people I heard talking about zionist conspiracies, namely DBS and Hufschmidt. I now know that there was a small kernel of truth in what they said, but would never have thought that, if I hadn't come across several things.

I went to the Loose Change forum and nosed around, where I came across username chucksheen. He recommended 2 movies. "Munich" and "Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land". I did some other research and found interesting supporting evidence concerning zionist conspiracies. I couldn't put it all together until I came across [url=http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/]Alan Watt[/url], who talks about all different religions, including zionism. Check Watt out, he's got great points.

However, I do NOT think that Isreal pulled off 9/11, nor do I think that they are the only ones behind the NWO. There is too much info that goes aginst it. Mossad (and many others) warned the CIA prior to 9/11 of the attack threat. Israel could not have had NORAD stand down. Israel could not have had the US gov't cover up the 9/11 attacks. Many top level US gov't officials in key positions required to carry out the op were not jewish. The large majority of people over history who have called for a new world order, new order, great society, or globalisation were/are not jewish. I could go on, but you get the point.

Here is the Shanktalk show that I refer to, and also an [url=http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/]Alan Watt[/url] collection...

Rbird... good to see you again amigo. I was wondering where you got off to.

While I agree with most of what you've said here, I'd like to make a few distinctions and comments.

Certainly Herr DBS and Herr Huffschmidt are anti-semites, however I think they differ somewhat from your average Neo-Nazi folks. They each seem to seek someone to blame for their own failures, someone who is doing what they are, but succeeding at it. For DBS it is Alex Jones, for Eric it is Dylan Avery. For both of them it is the spectre of Successful Jews. This is especially noticable in Eric's interview on John Stadtmiller's show with Dylan Avery. (sorry I don't have the link handy). While this kind of sour-grapes blame-someone mentality may seem similar to White Supremecist ideology, I would point out an important difference; DBS and Eric are haters who try to hide their hate. The oh-so-often phrase "I'm not against Jews..." rings in my head just thinking about them. Followed a short time later by the intermingling of the words "Zionist" and "Jew" repeatedly. This is nothing less than trickery and dishonesty. The neo-nazi folks on the other hand are totally upfront, open and honest about their feelings. They make no bones about who they dislike and why, make no appologies for their feelings and never hide what they stand for.

This fundamental difference is important in my eyes. While I agree with neither faction, I can at least respect an honest one whilst disagreeing.

As a side note, I would point out that the two-faced hatred can be found amongst Israeli's as well. Labelling anyone critical of Israel's policies is in itself racist. Further, I have been monitoring many Israeli sites since the recent conflict with Lebanon started and I have found that the vast majority of participants in the pro-Israel spin arena voiciferously speak of Arabs as something less than animals. With unmasked hatred, using terms like "Sand whores" and "Ants" while at the same time complaining loudly that everyone and their uncle who is not pro-Israel is a member of a "hate group" and anti-semetic. This, to me is the ultimate hypocracy and a type of two-faced, double standard you actually do not find in the Neo-Nazi community. If you want to read examples, check giyus.org forums for a few days.

Make no mistake, I'm against all sorts of hatred. I suppose I just find degrees of badness and wanted to point out the distinction.

Anyway, good to see you again r and don't take this msg as criticism, as I'm definitely with you on most of your points.

Extra: I have never fully understood why Eric and DBS are the way they are, but it would not surprise me at all if some agency exploited the sour-grapes mentality I mentioned above by whispering in their ears exactly what they wanted to hear in order to exploit them as tools.

I think you can still pick up that show 20060714_Fri_Stadtmiller2.mp3 via:
http://"Con" spiracycentral.net:6969/stats.ht...954e0b73db77493

And here is the loose change boys earlier discussion with EH...
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Hufschmid-Dylan-Korey-Jason.mp3

Huffcrap is an idiot fullstop
All he seems worried about is CASH
Even DBS has been winning for days looking for CASH

I couldn't agree more and couldn't put it any better myself. With a mental squint, I think they are actively working against the truth movement and doing so fairly effectively. I am unsure though if they know they are doing it or if someone is behind them pulling strings.

when you say - "whether Israel carried out the 9/11 attacks or if the US Gov't/Power Elite carried out the 9/11 attacks"

who are the gov/power elite? you must've noticed that there is substantial loyalty to israel in the power elite.. there are dual-citizens like michael chertov, as well as just loyalists.

i can agree about shank being a white nationalist, but I cannot agree that hufshmid and daryl smith are. they condemn it. david duke, stormfront, the whole lot..

look at this page: http://www.iamthewitness.com/Ashkenazi-Nazis.html

i listened to the interview, and going to that timeframe on its own, does not include context.. listen to the whole thing, and really ask - is hufschmid really a racist?

he basically says 'you can't blame mexicans for coming here, it's the stupid rich lazy americans hiring them!' he tried to say so about ten times and shank stll didn't get what he was saying.

that quote 'israel couldn't get norad to stand down' is straight from alex jones's mouth.. and that is debatable.

listen to jack blood with eric hufschmid for a more pleasant conversation:

http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/260106hufschmidt.htm

stay tuned for the callers.

'i highly recommend daryl smith's show' - jack blood