there is the name of a CD "The Psycho-Social, Chemical, Biological, and Electromagnetic Manipulation of Human Consciousness"... i think that about covers it. there's also an excellent book (short story) by the german author thomas mann "mario and the magician" that I think people should know about. also this (its quite silly mostly): The Psychic Battlefield: A History of the Military-Occult Complex by W. Adam Mandelbaum. and this is pretty good: Operators and things: The inner life of a schizophrenic by Barbara O'Brien. this as well: the book by "osho" (indian guru) on tantra (have no idea the name of it) -- he briefly discusses its theoretical misuses and well pretty much suggests that its so powerful that it can open up wormholes in space. anyhow I think we should have a topic on this. like assuming that this IS what is already going on (direct mind control), since like probably the early 1800s, worldwide and 24/7 (which is what I DO BELIEVE and have every fcuking reason for it most of which is too awful to communicate), *how* do you suppose its done? is it like some kind of arcane linguistic hacking and baby-conditioning combined with modulated radiation that penetrate the physical brain, or like is it more stick-and-carrot with money and hospitals and all that 5h!t, or is it largely based in black tantra (e.g. colour-breath control and manipulation of the kundalini)? this is what I want to talk to people who already have been trying to figure this out becauz i've already figured out quite a bit already and i'm willing to share what I know. for all I know actual time travellers and aliens and stuff like that could play a role in all this, but in the most like obvious interpretation it could simply just be the churches and this clever subliminal manipulation of communication based on how people *think* they know the language that they are thinking in and then let that hook into their (thereby hopelessly maliable) emotions. and so when they are spoken at by people who know the "sources" for their language, it's like directly being programmed. i'm a follower of frederich neitzsche for the most part and I really tend to think it's only just a lot of this sort of... "advertising" that could be behind the whole entire show. i once recieved ONE fairly useful communication from someone who was also trying to figure this stuff out, and I will try and share some of what I heard there if there is some interest and *earnestness*, because a lot of it would sound extremely racist and anti-semitic to the unscientific listener. anyhow, keep on keeping on! - BW